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By Asura.Buddhsie 2010-10-31 23:55:27
The only time Click ever plays SAM is when fighting DI ; ; So there's your theory out the window. By the way SAM is not 'boss', if you knew anything about the game you'd realise that many other jobs have the potential to outdamage SAM very easily, one of them being DRG.
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By Asura.Matzilla 2010-10-31 23:55:57
Asura.Lecreuset said: Asura.Buddhsie said: Man you're dense Oblisk.. the reason I level unorthodox jobs is to beat losers like you who claim that SAM and WAR are the best DD jobs.. and so far im pretty damn successful, lol.
If SAM wasn't so boss, Click wouldn't be on it sportin' DAT ACE'S HELM over his Apoc DRK so much.
Just sayin'.
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By Oblisk 2010-10-31 23:56:33
until you parse against iron and beat him or even draus sit the *** down kid
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By Asura.Lecreuset 2010-10-31 23:57:20
Asura.Buddhsie said: The only time Click ever plays SAM is when fighting DI ; ; So there's your theory out the window. By the way SAM is not 'boss', if you knew anything about the game you'd realise that many other jobs have the potential to outdamage SAM very easily, one of them being DRG.
Seen him at KB and Faf on it, so there goes your stout claim.
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By Asura.Lecreuset 2010-10-31 23:57:58
Asura.Matzilla said: Asura.Lecreuset said: Asura.Buddhsie said: Man you're dense Oblisk.. the reason I level unorthodox jobs is to beat losers like you who claim that SAM and WAR are the best DD jobs.. and so far im pretty damn successful, lol.
If SAM wasn't so boss, Click wouldn't be on it sportin' DAT ACE'S HELM over his Apoc DRK so much.
Just sayin'.
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Send her my love and this.
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By Asura.Matzilla 2010-10-31 23:58:36
Asura.Lecreuset said: Asura.Buddhsie said: The only time Click ever plays SAM is when fighting DI ; ; So there's your theory out the window. By the way SAM is not 'boss', if you knew anything about the game you'd realise that many other jobs have the potential to outdamage SAM very easily, one of them being DRG.
Seen him at KB and Faf on it, so there goes your stout claim.
why would you go drk to kb lol
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By Asura.Buddhsie 2010-11-01 00:01:09
Maybe he likes a bit of variety, I'd get tired of playing a job if I had a relic too, why don't you ask him yourself..
As for Oblisk, those people who pour resources of an entire linkshell full of pawns and months of their lives' dedication into relics make me laugh. Iron's a pushover, Draus should not even be considered in this conversation as he is a WAR. Not to mention the fact that he would have to learn how to press more than 2 buttons to beat me.
You telling me to sit the *** down is funny, because you are sitting here talking up other people while sitting in the background hiding behind them, *** joke.
By Oblisk 2010-11-01 00:02:39
Asura.Buddhsie said: Maybe he likes a bit of variety, I'd get tired of playing a job if I had a relic too, why don't you ask him yourself..
As for Oblisk, those people who pour resources of an entire linkshell full of pawns and months of their lives' dedication into relics make me laugh. Iron's a pushover, Draus should not even be considered in this conversation as he is a WAR. Not to mention the fact that he would have to learn how to press more than 2 buttons to beat me.
You telling me to sit the *** down is funny, because you are sitting here talking up other people while sitting in the background hiding behind them, *** joke. lol your ls leader has 3 bro
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By Asura.Lecreuset 2010-11-01 00:04:44
Asura.Buddhsie said: Maybe he likes a bit of variety, I'd get tired of playing a job if I had a relic too, why don't you ask him yourself..
As for Oblisk, those people who pour resources of an entire linkshell full of pawns and months of their lives' dedication into relics make me laugh. Iron's a pushover, Draus should not even be considered in this conversation as he is a WAR. Not to mention the fact that he would have to learn how to press more than 2 buttons to beat me.
You telling me to sit the *** down is funny, because you are sitting here talking up other people while sitting in the background hiding behind them, *** joke.
Naw, I seen him on his Bard before.
Variety's good.
But when you've got a relic DD, and obviously are on another DD 80% of the time.
Says something.
You should finish your Bard so you have a useful job.
I'm sure Click just doesn't wanna drop it on you that your only useful job at 75 is THF for a poke of TH.
I think you giving so much attention to Oblisk says this:
my name iz boodsee an i iz mayad
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By Asura.Buddhsie 2010-11-01 00:05:01
K well I'll take ignorance of the rest of my statement as acceptance.. and I was referring to a relic 'weapon', being that the topic involved DD jobs, and him only having 1 relic DD job.
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By Asura.Buddhsie 2010-11-01 00:07:25
Lecreuset the fact that you believe there are 'useful' and 'useless' jobs completely supports my argument that you have no idea how to play the game properly.. You're just another lamb following someone who tells you what's good and what's not.
Man I'm sad to admit it but even MNK is useful for some things now ;;
By Oblisk 2010-11-01 00:08:32
still, i have faith that draus would sit you down in a parse and i would put my right and left testicle on it that iron would. draus being war iron on sam so yea sit the *** down like i said
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By Asura.Buddhsie 2010-11-01 00:11:03
Oblisk said: still, i have faith that draus would sit you down in a parse and i would put my right and left testicle on it that iron would. draus being war iron on sam so yea sit the *** down like i said
lol, i feel so threatened
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-11-01 00:12:06
Blu is the greatest DD of all time!
By Oblisk 2010-11-01 00:12:30
lol and you did. deuces
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By Asura.Buddhsie 2010-11-01 00:13:46
There needs to be a sarcasm font to make the less intellectual not believe they made anyone sit down, lol* ; ;
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-11-01 00:16:34
Bahamut.Dasva said: Mnk is supreme God for all time!
ftfy ^.^
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-11-01 00:19:28
Bahamut.Serj said: Bahamut.Dasva said: Mnk is supreme God for all time! ftfy ^.^ Tank maybe. But I will do more dmg!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-11-01 00:20:05
Meet behind the swings after school.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-11-01 00:23:45
Bahamut.Dasva said: Bahamut.Serj said: Bahamut.Dasva said: Mnk is supreme God for all time! ftfy ^.^ Tank maybe. But I will do more dmg!
I'll give you that. Speaking strictly for myself, of course.
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By Asura.Lecreuset 2010-11-01 00:29:27
Asura.Buddhsie said: Lecreuset the fact that you believe there are 'useful' and 'useless' jobs completely supports my argument that you have no idea how to play the game properly.. You're just another lamb following someone who tells you what's good and what's not.
Man I'm sad to admit it but even MNK is useful for some things now ;;
Normally I wouldn't give you a long winded response, however you said something worth merit.
Useless is a relative term.
Most jobs are just generally speaking more useful than others.
WAR, MNK, WHM, BLM, RDM, BRD, SAM, COR
THF, PLD, DRK, RNG, NIN, DRG, BLU, SCH
BST, SMN, PUP, DNC
WAR is a general top-end DD and can rotate MOST Abyssean WS weaknesses.
MNK is finding newfound use with Razed Ruins and has become another viable frontline, considering you need it for a handful of Abyssea WS weaknesses.
WHM is a staple and Abyssea killed the "RDM main healer" ***that TP-burn style parties perpetuated.
BLM is a staple and perhaps outclassed by a nuking SCH only in that they are bang-for-buck nukewise stronger imo. BLM spells are still necessary in Scar zones for yellow weakness procs.
RDM is taking the backseat to WHM, but the raw enfeebling and fast cast for support -na/erase and supplemental Cures are there.
BRD is a staple, no one generally likes to be without one for obvious reasons.
SAM is the front-running DD with how quickly they can TP and just destroy ***with their WS, especially now that Iron has a completed Masamune and isn't some worthless hume playing SAM.
COR could be placed on that second tier, but still remains useful, also for processing Marksmanship Abyssean weaknesses.
THF is pure TH, dagger weakness procs and possibly collaborator on BLMs.
PLD is taking a backseat to most things, but it's still...PLD.
DRK is relatively worthless to SAM or WAR bar WAR's gaps in Scythe WS weakness triggers, but is a decent substitute if you don't have a qualified WAR.
RNG for widescan and processing archery/marksmanship, pretty useless otherwise.
NIN for katana, pretty useless otherwise.
DRG for the gaps in polearm, useless otherwise.
BLU is pretty trash but are potent backup healers, if you weren't a ***, I'd probably talk BLU w/you sometime. They're a necessity for Scar Abyssea zones now processing those weaknesses.
SCH is pretty boss to sub in for a BLM and make a decent support for any party. Outclassed directly by BLM and WHM respectively.
BST is pretty trash bar widescan and a WAR without axe skill to process weaknesses.
SMN is garbage outside of XP.
PUP is PUP.
DNC is a nice filler slot for extra Cures and Haste Samba, even possible tanking applications I haven't thought of, however with most Abyssea parties being limited to 18 without making outside parties, they can rotate dagger at best and really aren't worth the slot.
I don't think any job in this game is useless, just some are monumentally more useful than others.
I enjoy playing all 20 of my jobs really.
Anyway, back to the back and fortheries.
Call me a *** or something so we can get back on the hate train.
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By Asura.Draus 2010-11-01 00:36:01
Asura.Lecreuset said: Asura.Buddhsie said: Lecreuset the fact that you believe there are 'useful' and 'useless' jobs completely supports my argument that you have no idea how to play the game properly.. You're just another lamb following someone who tells you what's good and what's not.
Man I'm sad to admit it but even MNK is useful for some things now ;;
Normally I wouldn't give you a long winded response, however you said something worth merit.
Useless is a relative term.
Most jobs are just generally speaking more useful than others.
WAR, MNK, WHM, BLM, RDM, BRD, SAM, COR
THF, PLD, DRK, RNG, NIN, DRG, BLU, SCH
BST, SMN, PUP, DNC
WAR is a general top-end DD and can rotate MOST Abyssean WS weaknesses.
MNK is finding newfound use with Razed Ruins and has become another viable frontline, considering you need it for a handful of Abyssea WS weaknesses.
WHM is a staple and Abyssea killed the "RDM main healer" ***that TP-burn style parties perpetuated.
BLM is a staple and perhaps outclassed by a nuking SCH only in that they are bang-for-buck nukewise stronger imo. BLM spells are still necessary in Scar zones for yellow weakness procs.
RDM is taking the backseat to WHM, but the raw enfeebling and fast cast for support -na/erase and supplemental Cures are there.
BRD is a staple, no one generally likes to be without one for obvious reasons.
SAM is the front-running DD with how quickly they can TP and just destroy ***with their WS, especially now that Iron has a completed Masamune and isn't some worthless hume playing SAM.
COR could be placed on that second tier, but still remains useful, also for processing Marksmanship Abyssean weaknesses.
THF is pure TH, dagger weakness procs and possibly collaborator on BLMs.
PLD is taking a backseat to most things, but it's still...PLD.
DRK is relatively worthless to SAM or WAR bar WAR's gaps in Scythe WS weakness triggers, but is a decent substitute if you don't have a qualified WAR.
RNG for widescan and processing archery/marksmanship, pretty useless otherwise.
NIN for katana, pretty useless otherwise.
DRG for the gaps in polearm, useless otherwise.
BLU is pretty trash but are potent backup healers, if you weren't a ***, I'd probably talk BLU w/you sometime. They're a necessity for Scar Abyssea zones now processing those weaknesses.
SCH is pretty boss to sub in for a BLM and make a decent support for any party. Outclassed directly by BLM and WHM respectively.
BST is pretty trash bar widescan and a WAR without axe skill to process weaknesses.
SMN is garbage outside of XP.
PUP is PUP.
DNC is a nice filler slot for extra Cures and Haste Samba, even possible tanking applications I haven't thought of, however with most Abyssea parties being limited to 18 without making outside parties, they can rotate dagger at best and really aren't worth the slot.
I don't think any job in this game is useless, just some are monumentally more useful than others.
I enjoy playing all 20 of my jobs really.
Anyway, back to the back and fortheries.
Call me a *** or something so we can get back on the hate train.
***
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By Asura.Lecreuset 2010-11-01 00:36:25
Asura.Draus said: Asura.Lecreuset said: Asura.Buddhsie said: Lecreuset the fact that you believe there are 'useful' and 'useless' jobs completely supports my argument that you have no idea how to play the game properly.. You're just another lamb following someone who tells you what's good and what's not.
Man I'm sad to admit it but even MNK is useful for some things now ;;
Normally I wouldn't give you a long winded response, however you said something worth merit.
Useless is a relative term.
Most jobs are just generally speaking more useful than others.
WAR, MNK, WHM, BLM, RDM, BRD, SAM, COR
THF, PLD, DRK, RNG, NIN, DRG, BLU, SCH
BST, SMN, PUP, DNC
WAR is a general top-end DD and can rotate MOST Abyssean WS weaknesses.
MNK is finding newfound use with Razed Ruins and has become another viable frontline, considering you need it for a handful of Abyssea WS weaknesses.
WHM is a staple and Abyssea killed the "RDM main healer" ***that TP-burn style parties perpetuated.
BLM is a staple and perhaps outclassed by a nuking SCH only in that they are bang-for-buck nukewise stronger imo. BLM spells are still necessary in Scar zones for yellow weakness procs.
RDM is taking the backseat to WHM, but the raw enfeebling and fast cast for support -na/erase and supplemental Cures are there.
BRD is a staple, no one generally likes to be without one for obvious reasons.
SAM is the front-running DD with how quickly they can TP and just destroy ***with their WS, especially now that Iron has a completed Masamune and isn't some worthless hume playing SAM.
COR could be placed on that second tier, but still remains useful, also for processing Marksmanship Abyssean weaknesses.
THF is pure TH, dagger weakness procs and possibly collaborator on BLMs.
PLD is taking a backseat to most things, but it's still...PLD.
DRK is relatively worthless to SAM or WAR bar WAR's gaps in Scythe WS weakness triggers, but is a decent substitute if you don't have a qualified WAR.
RNG for widescan and processing archery/marksmanship, pretty useless otherwise.
NIN for katana, pretty useless otherwise.
DRG for the gaps in polearm, useless otherwise.
BLU is pretty trash but are potent backup healers, if you weren't a ***, I'd probably talk BLU w/you sometime. They're a necessity for Scar Abyssea zones now processing those weaknesses.
SCH is pretty boss to sub in for a BLM and make a decent support for any party. Outclassed directly by BLM and WHM respectively.
BST is pretty trash bar widescan and a WAR without axe skill to process weaknesses.
SMN is garbage outside of XP.
PUP is PUP.
DNC is a nice filler slot for extra Cures and Haste Samba, even possible tanking applications I haven't thought of, however with most Abyssea parties being limited to 18 without making outside parties, they can rotate dagger at best and really aren't worth the slot.
I don't think any job in this game is useless, just some are monumentally more useful than others.
I enjoy playing all 20 of my jobs really.
Anyway, back to the back and fortheries.
Call me a *** or something so we can get back on the hate train.
***
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By Asura.Buddhsie 2010-11-01 00:36:47
I'll agree with most of the things you've said.. but still narrow minded. I've proven that dancer can be a valuable tank/support/healer/DD All at the same time in certain situations.
You've also overlooked the fact that blue mage is the most versatile job in the game and can be played any specific way to suit its situation.
You give Dragoon way too little credit, an equally well geared dragoon should never EVER be beaten by a samurai or a warrior, even more so since the jump upgrades etc.
NIN, RNG, i will agree are poor jobs lol.
Of course I have to support the jobs I've chosen to level, but yeah, everything I've said I've proven.. I'm definitely not stupid and I definitely wouldn't state things without evidence or proof.
Don't worry though, you're getting there ;;
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By Asura.Lecreuset 2010-11-01 00:39:45
Asura.Buddhsie said: I'll agree with most of the things you've said.. but still narrow minded. I've proven that dancer can be a valuable tank/support/healer/DD All at the same time in certain situations.
You've also overlooked the fact that blue mage is the most versatile job in the game and can be played any specific way to suit its situation.
You give Dragoon way too little credit, an equally well geared dragoon should never EVER be beaten by a samurai or a warrior, even more so since the jump upgrades etc.
NIN, RNG, i will agree are poor jobs lol.
Of course I have to support the jobs I've chosen to level, but yeah, everything I've said I've proven.. I'm definitely not stupid and I definitely wouldn't state things without evidence or proof.
Don't worry though, you're getting there ;;
I disagree with the Dragoon thing.
I agree Blue Mage is the most versatile job in the game, hence me keeping it at 85.
However everything it can be changed to do, is outclassed by the specialists in whatever the BLU tries to do.
The only real purpose they serve is processing weakness triggers in Scar zones.
Dancer, is my only non merit-level job aside Beastmaster, and I've had little exposure to end-game, so I'm actually quite open to seeing what it can/can't do.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2010-11-01 00:39:51
Asura.Lecreuset said: SAM is the front-running DD with how quickly they can TP and just destroy ***with their WS, especially now that Iron has a completed Masamune and isn't some worthless hume playing SAM.
Haha, oh, funny.
Related note, very good post although I don't entirely agree with some of your points. I need to get caught up on emp. ws before I can really say too much about stuff like, nin's DDing or something.
Mnk and drk are tanks in my mind, though. So /shrug.
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By Asura.Buddhsie 2010-11-01 00:48:47
I guess you'll fight DRG to the end since it's kinda my main so you're a bit biased in that respect but hey, give it a little thought, you might learn something.
Spirit jump is a 1:15 ability that gives 2x normal swing worth of tp.
Soul jump is a 2:30 ability that gives 3x normal swing tp.
With these also recieving a damage boost, along with the abilities from samurai sub, angon, AND your wyvern's damage.. if you aren't beating regular sams and wars with these there's seriously something wrong with you.
The fact that DRG can drop 100% or 50% of its hate at will also gives it another dimension and is one of the main reasons i believe it's the best DD job in the game.
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By Asura.Lecreuset 2010-11-01 00:55:04
Asura.Buddhsie said: I guess you'll fight DRG to the end since it's kinda my main so you're a bit biased in that respect but hey, give it a little thought, you might learn something.
Spirit jump is a 1:15 ability that gives 2x normal swing worth of tp.
Soul jump is a 2:30 ability that gives 3x normal swing tp.
With these also recieving a damage boost, along with the abilities from samurai sub, angon, AND your wyvern's damage.. if you aren't beating regular sams and wars with these there's seriously something wrong with you.
The fact that DRG can drop 100% or 50% of its hate at will also gives it another dimension and is one of the main reasons i believe it's the best DD job in the game.
Like to see the Wyvern do damage when it gets AoE and squashed.
20m recast kills it.
Enmity shedding is boss, however also provides another weakness imo as far as being a clutch tank goes.
Strictly a DD, I don't see it being utterly worthless, but with the WARs and SAMs we have, it's very tough to say that DRG would be worth a party slot with our setups aside to process weaknesses.
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By Asura.Natenn 2010-11-01 00:57:32
wtf MB ppl still posting all day? damn i went out to get dat *** and they been f5ing all day occasionally beatin off to hentai lolololol Madzilla is mad
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By Asura.Buddhsie 2010-11-01 00:58:59
Obviously you guys haven't got any good DRGs to show ya how its done!
Wyvern is a bit flimsy yeah, but new helmet helps to heal it, and spirit link can be useful too, especially with empathy and the transfer of half your wyvern's tp to yourself.
It's not that bad, but you're right, shedding enmity does have its downsides part of the time, but its not hard to cap enmity anyway so its hardly a big deal.
It's DD potential is restricted by the fact that there are hardly any decent weapons for it, since the relic is a big hunk of crap, the mythic would be nice, and the empyrean is such a *** to get.
Even still, unless you got relics or equivalent u aren't beating my drg :s
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