Will PLD Be Useful Again At Lvl 99?

I'm... not seeing it.

I mean, less magic damage taken, yay, but weren't aegis users able to cap magic defense already?

Augmenting shield bash is cute, but, what, 500-600 damage every 5 minutes vs. what a decent DD can pump out?

Damage taken to mp is nice, but MP really isn't a problem these days.

And shield size 6, does that mean even less chance of proc vs. size 4/5?

This update did more than throw PLD a bone. The Aegis Augments are lackluster, true. Take it for what it is; less item sets, less macros swaps.

Zerg is the name of the game. Gear your PLDs for dps. While you won't keep up with a top tier mnk, nin, or war in dmg, you will gain enough to keep the mob focused on you providing you are doing everything else you used before you needed to start pumping out the dmg.

If it still can't keep up with DDs then it isn't fixed. Still having to resort to cures/JAs lowers DoT, keeping hate really isn't the problem.

You'd deal more dmg dual wielding

If PLD kept up with DDs, then it wouldn't be fixed, it would be broken in the other direction.

Here's a thought, though, for everyone: Welcome to page 26. Doesn't that amount of opposing opinions at least warrant the concession that PLD may in fact still have some use, especially when you consider the widely varying styles of play, accessibility of gear, and varying skill levels?

I said they should make PLD match melee DPS? This isn't an argument of preference or whatever works for your group, in terms of raw efficiency PLDs getting left behind.

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Possible chant du cygne? Assuming DEX is in fact a modifier.

This is probably too much considering razed ruins and what not.

I dunno. My PLD is still 75 and I'm hard-pressed to justify taking it past that point.

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I said if PLD isnt able to maintain damage equivalent to DDs then this +offensive stats alone does not fix PLD. I did not say hey let's make PLD do MNK/WAR DMG.

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I got ya now, your wording was a little weird lol.

Point is still valid. You're not going to get any hate depending on either one alone (JA/CURES & DPS). Even a Hybrid setup of offensive/defensive attributes wont work. Just play PLD/NIN like an old school war/nin with RR/VV or RR/GH atmas and dish out the chants and occassional flashes/sentinels/ramaprts. This has worked for me on higher tier NMs in abyssea, and has failed miserably on KI holders. But at the very least, PLD is needed to due to the result we've had using this approach.

By the way, Job vs Job, there's a lot more JA's being thrown around by WAR/SAMs, MNK/WARs than PLDs, if you're going to mention JA/Spell delay, dont forget other jobs also depend on them for functionality.

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WAR/SAMs JA frequency of hasso/seigan/third eye alone is more time consuming.

Yes, but the utility of each of those JAs is vastly different. 3 seconds delay for +10 haste from Hasso, or 3 seconds delay for +crit rate from Impetus etc, vs a quick boost of Enmity from a cure or Sentinel. Then you have to factor the duration of each effect, 5min vs 30 seconds (degrading effect).

The point is, with Almace your DPS is probably your highest form of Enmity, small effect JAs/Spells only cut that down further. I'm not saying don't use PLD ever before someone jumps on that, but this update didn't really bring much to the table for them unfortunately.

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Well I'll disagree with you on this. I'm a lot more optimistic today than I was a month ago, which is a pretty low refrence point.
Can someone post a link to dps calculator?
Lets test some sets vs WAR/SAM and see what the math says,.

I'd argue the other way and say there's no "too much" for DEX here. STR is only going to add fSTR and given VV + cruor buffs + the STR on some of PLD's best DEX gear you'll effortlessly cap. I also wouldn't neglect attack

Heca/Perle hands, Cerb+1/Nifty/Cavaros depending on pDIF, augmented Jupiter's Ring, possibly Anguinus Belt, WS gorget.

I'd go with Cuch's cape instead of nifty/cerbs.

Accuracy should be more than fine with that set, if pDIF is capped (ie Cuch <> Nifty, since Nifty > Cuch with uncapped pDIF), then Cavaros beats all.

Similar discussion on BG, this pretty much sums it up