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By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2010-10-08 16:42:45
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Gay thread is gay, srry excelcbitch all I heard was
*** *** *** *** *** *** *** every 5seconds
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By Leviathan.Hastefeet 2010-10-08 17:16:41
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Carbuncle.Lynxblade said:
Gay thread is gay, srry excelcbitch all I heard was
*** *** *** *** *** *** *** every 5seconds

gay poster is gay

all i heard was "Im a ***"
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-10-08 17:20:00
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Leviathan.Hastefeet said:
Carbuncle.Lynxblade said:
Gay thread is gay, srry excelcbitch all I heard was
*** *** *** *** *** *** *** every 5seconds

gay poster is gay

all i heard was "Im a ***"
then why does the quotes say:

Carbuncle.Lynxblade said:
Gay thread is gay, srry excelcbitch all I heard was
*** *** *** *** *** *** *** every 5seconds
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By Leviathan.Hastefeet 2010-10-08 17:22:40
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Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Leviathan.Hastefeet said:
Carbuncle.Lynxblade said:
Gay thread is gay, srry excelcbitch all I heard was
*** *** *** *** *** *** *** every 5seconds

gay poster is gay

all i heard was "Im a ***"
then why does the quotes say:

Carbuncle.Lynxblade said:
Gay thread is gay, srry excelcbitch all I heard was
*** *** *** *** *** *** *** every 5seconds

well i saw that... but what i heard...
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-10-08 17:24:05
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Leviathan.Hastefeet said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Leviathan.Hastefeet said:
Carbuncle.Lynxblade said:
Gay thread is gay, srry excelcbitch all I heard was
*** *** *** *** *** *** *** every 5seconds

gay poster is gay

all i heard was "Im a ***"
then why does the quotes say:

Carbuncle.Lynxblade said:
Gay thread is gay, srry excelcbitch all I heard was
*** *** *** *** *** *** *** every 5seconds

well i saw that... but what i heard...
you are hearing things now?
are you sure that you are of sound mental health?
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By Leviathan.Hastefeet 2010-10-08 17:24:38
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Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Leviathan.Hastefeet said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Leviathan.Hastefeet said:
Carbuncle.Lynxblade said:
Gay thread is gay, srry excelcbitch all I heard was
*** *** *** *** *** *** *** every 5seconds

gay poster is gay

all i heard was "Im a ***"
then why does the quotes say:

Carbuncle.Lynxblade said:
Gay thread is gay, srry excelcbitch all I heard was
*** *** *** *** *** *** *** every 5seconds

well i saw that... but what i heard...
you are hearing things now?
are you sure that you are of sound mental health?

i see things
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-10-08 17:25:46
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Leviathan.Hastefeet said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Leviathan.Hastefeet said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Leviathan.Hastefeet said:
Carbuncle.Lynxblade said:
Gay thread is gay, srry excelcbitch all I heard was
*** *** *** *** *** *** *** every 5seconds

gay poster is gay

all i heard was "Im a ***"
then why does the quotes say:

Carbuncle.Lynxblade said:
Gay thread is gay, srry excelcbitch all I heard was
*** *** *** *** *** *** *** every 5seconds

well i saw that... but what i heard...
you are hearing things now?
are you sure that you are of sound mental health?

i see things
you better check yourself in with the local medical authority and get yourself checked out then.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2010-10-08 17:30:17
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Affirmative action is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, always thought it was.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2010-10-08 18:12:26
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There's only one race, the human race. Anyone who says otherwise failed Biology.
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By Leviathan.Hastefeet 2010-10-08 18:35:01
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Odin.Zicdeh said:
There's only one race, the human race. Anyone who says otherwise failed Biology.

or didnt take it?
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-10-08 19:41:47
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I'm giving a speech to the President's Advisory Council of my college to end affirmative action in my school. This is my speech, tell me what you think and if you find disagreements. I'm curious what opinion is. Affirmative Action The writers of the Declaration of Independence proclaimed that “All men are created equal”. Do you think that they honestly believed that? Many of the same men allowed for the perpetuation of slavery in our US Constitution, this is evident in the clauses such as the 3/5ths compromise. To claim that America was founded on the basis of equality at all is simply fallacious. Furthermore, it is naive to believe that that all men and women are born with the same intellectual ability or advantages. The tendency for the intelligent and skilled to transcend their lesser intelligent and lesser skilled peers is a natural fact. This means that true equality is unrealistic and unachievable without true physical equality and genetic equality. This means that the best way to promote equality in America is to make all children test tube babies and genetically engineer them. I have a feeling that people would be pissed if we tried to do that. Sadly this type of artificial creation of equality exists in many government programs one of which is affirmative action. America has had a history of discrimination against blacks and women and we can’t dismiss this injustice. I think it would be nonsensical to believe that racism and discrimination do not exist today, however, it is equally nonsensical to think that it exists in the same capacity and to the same degree as it did many years ago. The question today is, “How do we differentiate between discriminatory actions and de facto inequality”. For this purpose we shall look at the definitions of discrimination: 1. To discriminate is to recognized or perceive the difference. 2. Discriminatory means being biased or having a belief or attitude about a subject beforehand; Prejudice. 3. Discrimination means the unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of Prejudice. People who promote affirmative action would like you to believe that they fighting to end discrimination. That is to say they are fighting to end the unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice. This is true in the same way as the concept of “Fighting fire with fire”. Indeed, I submit that we end violence on campus by beating up some kids. Their logic is that, “We can end discrimination by using discrimination as a tool against discrimination”. That very concept is extremely counter-intuitive. This logic basically brings us to the conclusion that the goals of affirmative action are not ending discrimination but promoting discrimination for blacks and women. These people who promote affirmative action say that due to different backgrounds, blacks and women are disadvantaged in a “white man’s world”. This is amazing to me because the white population is less than half of the world population. I suppose that believe that women and blacks are just too stupid and too poor and too ignorant to succeed without the help of the white man. God bless the white man we’re just so good at elevating people, usually with a rope around the neck. They do all of this while trying to carry the flag of non-discrimination which is pathetically ironic considering the facts. Let us assume for a moment that all blacks and women are of inferior intelligence, and that the white man has the genetic monopoly on brain power. If this were the case, I would then ask why bother helping blacks and women? If they are indeed dumber than white men why would we send them to college so they can flunk out or appoint them to jobs so they can fail? Does being of a certain race qualify you more for a job than sheer ability and experience? These people seem to think so. Now let us assume that blacks, women, and whites all have the same intellectual potential upon birth. That is to say that all races have an equal chance of having a gifted or talented child. I know this is hard for some of you to believe but I think Barack Obama is a tad bit smarter than George W. Bush. How do you think affirmative action specialists would address him? He’s black so he’s dumb, but he’s also white so he’s smart. He’s black so he’s disadvantage but he’s white so he’s also rich. He’s blacks so he’s done drugs but he’s white so he hasn’t. He’s black so he’s committed crimes but he’s white so he hasn’t. Could it be that Barack Obama was a man of high intelligence and ability who just happened to be black? Could it be that Barack Obama wasn’t the genetic lottery winner and somehow the Keanu Reeves of black people sent here to free us from the domination of machines? The truth is that individuals each possess their own level of intelligence and ability. Individuals each possess their own potential for success. We should then address the issue based on individuals and not on race, because race is theory and a stereotype not a scientific law. Affirmative action is obsolete and fundamentally flawed because it has never addressed the true question that this nation needs to answer, “How can we get our talented and gifted citizens into college so they can graduate and get a job to help the community?” Instead affirmative action addresses this question: “How can we get blacks and whites into our schools and jobs so we can exploit their status as a minority as some form of pro bono and act of charity?” Affirmative action is fundamentally racist, sexist, intolerant, bigoted and counter-productive. I want to add that I dont neccessarily support this position as radically as it is addressed. However, for the purpose of the councils we have a speech pro and con for affirmative action.
To be honest, you're being too abrasive. I guess it really boils down to who your target audience is, though. But I can bet that a large portion of the audience will tune you out after your first paragraph, if not earlier. I think you could show passion in the subject without sounding like a ***. Build up the first part slowly to play ear to both sides of the table, then come through with your message. This way they'll be more eager to listen to everything you have to say instead of tuning you out. Just my advice on public speaking... Be well aware of your target audience. If you have to turn this in for a class, I bolded what I believe to be a mispelling.

The guy who gave a speech on this subject last night was attacking white people and saying we're the cause of all misery in the world. He was saying only white kids kill people and that we're all crazy nut jobs who are incredibly biased and the only way to control us is affirmative action. Basically what I wrote is attacking him and his logic directly. I'm moving to have Tim Wise banned from campus and that the student organization who made our student government pay $4000 for him must refund the money.

Edit: What you bolded isn't spelled wrong and you spelled it the same way in your sentence lol. Not picking just thought it was ironic.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2010-10-08 20:00:17
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Are there cases where a white child may be as disadvantaged or more disadvantaged than a minority? Absolutely. Are there cases where Affirmative Action is applied inappropriately? Again absolutely. But you cannot argue that a policy that is wrong in some cases must therefore be wrong in all cases. I'm not going to do research for you but there is plenty of evidence that minorities: 1) still subject to prejudice during application process that AA works to correct 2) that minorities are still fighting against oppression that started generations ago. When your white landowning great great grandfather started out wealthy and owning property, you reap some of the benefits of that. The great great grandfather who was a slave had to work from nothing to even survive. They still are working to recover the resources. This is an extreme example, but there are varying degrees of benefiting from taking advantage of oppressed groups. Even if you deny oppression today (which you realistically can't), you still need to consider past injustices that influence today.


Just because someone may have used violent and aggressive speech does not mean it was appropriate for them or you to use. I highly suggest you think of a different analogy than beating up other students. Even if it makes the point you want to make, violence will turn others away from your argument. There's a better way to create a similar argument.
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By Cerberus.Nutt 2010-10-08 20:07:49
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Wow, with so much hatred at your school, I'm amazed that anyone learns anything. If you are successful at your attempt, all you're going to do is cause more hatred. That is not going to help anybody.

It's not Whites who cause misery in this world, it's HATRED. I hate you because of xyz. Arrogance/Pride comes in close 2nd.

If we all can work on ridding the world of those problems, everything else MIGHT fall into place.


/wants to hold hands and sing Kumbayah
/knows folks will look at her in disgust
/oh well...

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By Cerberus.Eugene 2010-10-08 20:27:54
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Affirmative Action is not about correcting injustices that took place decades ago today, affirmative action is about correcting injustices that take place today, and about correcting the repercussions of injustices that took place decades ago that still affect today.
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By Asura.Israfel 2010-10-08 20:41:10
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Cerberus.Nutt said:
Wow, with so much hatred at your school, I'm amazed that anyone learns anything. If you are successful at your attempt, all you're going to do is cause more hatred. That is not going to help anybody.

It's not Whites who cause misery in this world, it's HATRED. I hate you because of xyz. Arrogance/Pride comes in close 2nd.

If we all can work on ridding the world of those problems, everything else MIGHT fall into place.


/wants to hold hands and sing Kumbayah
/knows folks will look at her in disgust
/oh well...


I'm pretty much with you on this one. If everyone, regardless of race / color / creed etc learned a little tolerance and acceptance of their fellow man... we wouldn't be in this position now. But then we'd also have to fix the tossers that like to take advantage of the system and have everything handed to them on a plate.
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By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2010-10-08 20:41:53
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That guy must have been very smart because. WHITE PEOPLE ARE THE CAUSE OF ALL PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD, CAUSE WERE THE ONLY RACE THAT HAS EVER OWNED SLAVES. WE'RE ALSO THE ONLY RACE THATS RACIST AMIRITE!??
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By Ramuh.Brahmdut 2010-10-08 23:05:52
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Remember it is OK to have a "Black Student Alliance" ... because they are a minority.

I just don't get it..

sorry for the story ..
but when i was in the US Navy...
black's would call them self and there friends "***" all the time..
and they would call white people "cracker" all the time..
but don't ever call them *** if your not black...
even if they call you cracker..
or what ever slang they want to.

Good luck with your speech.

I'm not saying all black people are like this.. but from what i met most are even tho no one has ever done any thing to them.

I'm not talking about the 40~60 year old's ish people.. I'm talking about the 18~20 year old's

if you want me to talk crap about white people if it would make you feel better .. I can make a list 1000x bigger of white people I hate and why then black mostly just cause I know more

Tangent

any way good luck with your speech
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By Valefor.Byxfluzba 2010-10-08 23:11:16
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How else was I supposed to get invites on my drg in 06?
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2010-10-08 23:45:44
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Phoenix.Excelior said:
Caitsith.Mahayaya said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
I'm giving a speech to the President's Advisory Council of my college to end affirmative action in my school. This is my speech, tell me what you think and if you find disagreements. I'm curious what opinion is. Affirmative Action The writers of the Declaration of Independence proclaimed that “All men are created equal”. Do you think that they honestly believed that? Many of the same men allowed for the perpetuation of slavery in our US Constitution, this is evident in the clauses such as the 3/5ths compromise. To claim that America was founded on the basis of equality at all is simply fallacious. Furthermore, it is naive to believe that that all men and women are born with the same intellectual ability or advantages. The tendency for the intelligent and skilled to transcend their lesser intelligent and lesser skilled peers is a natural fact. This means that true equality is unrealistic and unachievable without true physical equality and genetic equality. This means that the best way to promote equality in America is to make all children test tube babies and genetically engineer them. I have a feeling that people would be pissed if we tried to do that. Sadly this type of artificial creation of equality exists in many government programs one of which is affirmative action. America has had a history of discrimination against blacks and women and we can’t dismiss this injustice. I think it would be nonsensical to believe that racism and discrimination do not exist today, however, it is equally nonsensical to think that it exists in the same capacity and to the same degree as it did many years ago. The question today is, “How do we differentiate between discriminatory actions and de facto inequality”. For this purpose we shall look at the definitions of discrimination: 1. To discriminate is to recognized or perceive the difference. 2. Discriminatory means being biased or having a belief or attitude about a subject beforehand; Prejudice. 3. Discrimination means the unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of Prejudice. People who promote affirmative action would like you to believe that they fighting to end discrimination. That is to say they are fighting to end the unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice. This is true in the same way as the concept of “Fighting fire with fire”. Indeed, I submit that we end violence on campus by beating up some kids. Their logic is that, “We can end discrimination by using discrimination as a tool against discrimination”. That very concept is extremely counter-intuitive. This logic basically brings us to the conclusion that the goals of affirmative action are not ending discrimination but promoting discrimination for blacks and women. These people who promote affirmative action say that due to different backgrounds, blacks and women are disadvantaged in a “white man’s world”. This is amazing to me because the white population is less than half of the world population. I suppose that believe that women and blacks are just too stupid and too poor and too ignorant to succeed without the help of the white man. God bless the white man we’re just so good at elevating people, usually with a rope around the neck. They do all of this while trying to carry the flag of non-discrimination which is pathetically ironic considering the facts. Let us assume for a moment that all blacks and women are of inferior intelligence, and that the white man has the genetic monopoly on brain power. If this were the case, I would then ask why bother helping blacks and women? If they are indeed dumber than white men why would we send them to college so they can flunk out or appoint them to jobs so they can fail? Does being of a certain race qualify you more for a job than sheer ability and experience? These people seem to think so. Now let us assume that blacks, women, and whites all have the same intellectual potential upon birth. That is to say that all races have an equal chance of having a gifted or talented child. I know this is hard for some of you to believe but I think Barack Obama is a tad bit smarter than George W. Bush. How do you think affirmative action specialists would address him? He’s black so he’s dumb, but he’s also white so he’s smart. He’s black so he’s disadvantage but he’s white so he’s also rich. He’s blacks so he’s done drugs but he’s white so he hasn’t. He’s black so he’s committed crimes but he’s white so he hasn’t. Could it be that Barack Obama was a man of high intelligence and ability who just happened to be black? Could it be that Barack Obama wasn’t the genetic lottery winner and somehow the Keanu Reeves of black people sent here to free us from the domination of machines? The truth is that individuals each possess their own level of intelligence and ability. Individuals each possess their own potential for success. We should then address the issue based on individuals and not on race, because race is theory and a stereotype not a scientific law. Affirmative action is obsolete and fundamentally flawed because it has never addressed the true question that this nation needs to answer, “How can we get our talented and gifted citizens into college so they can graduate and get a job to help the community?” Instead affirmative action addresses this question: “How can we get blacks and whites into our schools and jobs so we can exploit their status as a minority as some form of pro bono and act of charity?” Affirmative action is fundamentally racist, sexist, intolerant, bigoted and counter-productive. I want to add that I dont neccessarily support this position as radically as it is addressed. However, for the purpose of the councils we have a speech pro and con for affirmative action.
To be honest, you're being too abrasive. I guess it really boils down to who your target audience is, though. But I can bet that a large portion of the audience will tune you out after your first paragraph, if not earlier. I think you could show passion in the subject without sounding like a ***. Build up the first part slowly to play ear to both sides of the table, then come through with your message. This way they'll be more eager to listen to everything you have to say instead of tuning you out. Just my advice on public speaking... Be well aware of your target audience. If you have to turn this in for a class, I bolded what I believe to be a mispelling.

The guy who gave a speech on this subject last night was attacking white people and saying we're the cause of all misery in the world. He was saying only white kids kill people and that we're all crazy nut jobs who are incredibly biased and the only way to control us is affirmative action. Basically what I wrote is attacking him and his logic directly. I'm moving to have Tim Wise banned from campus and that the student organization who made our student government pay $4000 for him must refund the money.

Edit: What you bolded isn't spelled wrong and you spelled it the same way in your sentence lol. Not picking just thought it was ironic.

oh, I thought you were shooting for "belief". I dunno, reading that sentence over and over is confusing to me.

Yeah, he's an obvious nutjob, but he's also a skilled speaker. He worked his message from the ground up. I'm talking about the video, maybe the speech he gave yesterday was different. He based it off of history and not current events, which allows people to have a slight disconnect from the subject. People were also taught all about slavery in school, so it's not like he's telling them anything they don't already know. You, on the other hand, are directly "attacking" the people of today. I know that if they actually listen to the whole thing, they'll get that disclaimer at end telling them that you're not a total ***, but when 90% of your speech is "***-talking" nobody's gonna give a ***.

I'm not going to say your information is wrong, or your view is wrong, but I'm fairly certain that people aren't going to get a positive message from your speech. Maybe you'll turn ears and have people get mad/emotional about it in the way you want, but I honestly believe they'll just shut you out.
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By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2010-10-09 00:58:03
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africans sold their own people to the white people for slavery. white people docked on the coast, and the coast black people raided the center of africa.

in europe, vikings went on multitudes of raids and enslaved white people, selling them to places like the middle east.

black people are no more special then white people. they can gtfo.
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By Cerberus.Irohuro 2010-10-09 01:57:44
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Phoenix.Excelior said:
Asura.Ludoggy said:
How many people do you think are gonna call you a racist after this?

I don't care. I refuse to believe that our society has devolved to the point where we are afraid to speak the truth out of fear of being called dumb or unintelligent. People have pushed it so far that if you don't concur with the elite that you must be defective and dumb.

i thought about commenting something similar to this, though more on the casual tone that it has, rather than something more formal and political.

but after your response to that i instead say grats.

we need politicians who worry less about being politically correct and trying not to offend and more who will say what needs to be said, and arent afraid to say "you dont like it? thats to bad, so get over yourself, cause this shits gotta be said if we're gonna have any progress"
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-10-09 12:31:25
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
Caitsith.Mahayaya said:
Phoenix.Excelior said:
I'm giving a speech to the President's Advisory Council of my college to end affirmative action in my school. This is my speech, tell me what you think and if you find disagreements. I'm curious what opinion is. Affirmative Action The writers of the Declaration of Independence proclaimed that “All men are created equal”. Do you think that they honestly believed that? Many of the same men allowed for the perpetuation of slavery in our US Constitution, this is evident in the clauses such as the 3/5ths compromise. To claim that America was founded on the basis of equality at all is simply fallacious. Furthermore, it is naive to believe that that all men and women are born with the same intellectual ability or advantages. The tendency for the intelligent and skilled to transcend their lesser intelligent and lesser skilled peers is a natural fact. This means that true equality is unrealistic and unachievable without true physical equality and genetic equality. This means that the best way to promote equality in America is to make all children test tube babies and genetically engineer them. I have a feeling that people would be pissed if we tried to do that. Sadly this type of artificial creation of equality exists in many government programs one of which is affirmative action. America has had a history of discrimination against blacks and women and we can’t dismiss this injustice. I think it would be nonsensical to believe that racism and discrimination do not exist today, however, it is equally nonsensical to think that it exists in the same capacity and to the same degree as it did many years ago. The question today is, “How do we differentiate between discriminatory actions and de facto inequality”. For this purpose we shall look at the definitions of discrimination: 1. To discriminate is to recognized or perceive the difference. 2. Discriminatory means being biased or having a belief or attitude about a subject beforehand; Prejudice. 3. Discrimination means the unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of Prejudice. People who promote affirmative action would like you to believe that they fighting to end discrimination. That is to say they are fighting to end the unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice. This is true in the same way as the concept of “Fighting fire with fire”. Indeed, I submit that we end violence on campus by beating up some kids. Their logic is that, “We can end discrimination by using discrimination as a tool against discrimination”. That very concept is extremely counter-intuitive. This logic basically brings us to the conclusion that the goals of affirmative action are not ending discrimination but promoting discrimination for blacks and women. These people who promote affirmative action say that due to different backgrounds, blacks and women are disadvantaged in a “white man’s world”. This is amazing to me because the white population is less than half of the world population. I suppose that believe that women and blacks are just too stupid and too poor and too ignorant to succeed without the help of the white man. God bless the white man we’re just so good at elevating people, usually with a rope around the neck. They do all of this while trying to carry the flag of non-discrimination which is pathetically ironic considering the facts. Let us assume for a moment that all blacks and women are of inferior intelligence, and that the white man has the genetic monopoly on brain power. If this were the case, I would then ask why bother helping blacks and women? If they are indeed dumber than white men why would we send them to college so they can flunk out or appoint them to jobs so they can fail? Does being of a certain race qualify you more for a job than sheer ability and experience? These people seem to think so. Now let us assume that blacks, women, and whites all have the same intellectual potential upon birth. That is to say that all races have an equal chance of having a gifted or talented child. I know this is hard for some of you to believe but I think Barack Obama is a tad bit smarter than George W. Bush. How do you think affirmative action specialists would address him? He’s black so he’s dumb, but he’s also white so he’s smart. He’s black so he’s disadvantage but he’s white so he’s also rich. He’s blacks so he’s done drugs but he’s white so he hasn’t. He’s black so he’s committed crimes but he’s white so he hasn’t. Could it be that Barack Obama was a man of high intelligence and ability who just happened to be black? Could it be that Barack Obama wasn’t the genetic lottery winner and somehow the Keanu Reeves of black people sent here to free us from the domination of machines? The truth is that individuals each possess their own level of intelligence and ability. Individuals each possess their own potential for success. We should then address the issue based on individuals and not on race, because race is theory and a stereotype not a scientific law. Affirmative action is obsolete and fundamentally flawed because it has never addressed the true question that this nation needs to answer, “How can we get our talented and gifted citizens into college so they can graduate and get a job to help the community?” Instead affirmative action addresses this question: “How can we get blacks and whites into our schools and jobs so we can exploit their status as a minority as some form of pro bono and act of charity?” Affirmative action is fundamentally racist, sexist, intolerant, bigoted and counter-productive. I want to add that I dont neccessarily support this position as radically as it is addressed. However, for the purpose of the councils we have a speech pro and con for affirmative action.
To be honest, you're being too abrasive. I guess it really boils down to who your target audience is, though. But I can bet that a large portion of the audience will tune you out after your first paragraph, if not earlier. I think you could show passion in the subject without sounding like a ***. Build up the first part slowly to play ear to both sides of the table, then come through with your message. This way they'll be more eager to listen to everything you have to say instead of tuning you out. Just my advice on public speaking... Be well aware of your target audience. If you have to turn this in for a class, I bolded what I believe to be a mispelling.
The guy who gave a speech on this subject last night was attacking white people and saying we're the cause of all misery in the world. He was saying only white kids kill people and that we're all crazy nut jobs who are incredibly biased and the only way to control us is affirmative action. Basically what I wrote is attacking him and his logic directly. I'm moving to have Tim Wise banned from campus and that the student organization who made our student government pay $4000 for him must refund the money. Edit: What you bolded isn't spelled wrong and you spelled it the same way in your sentence lol. Not picking just thought it was ironic.
oh, I thought you were shooting for "belief". I dunno, reading that sentence over and over is confusing to me. Yeah, he's an obvious nutjob, but he's also a skilled speaker. He worked his message from the ground up. I'm talking about the video, maybe the speech he gave yesterday was different. He based it off of history and not current events, which allows people to have a slight disconnect from the subject. People were also taught all about slavery in school, so it's not like he's telling them anything they don't already know. You, on the other hand, are directly "attacking" the people of today. I know that if they actually listen to the whole thing, they'll get that disclaimer at end telling them that you're not a total ***, but when 90% of your speech is "***-talking" nobody's gonna give a ***. I'm not going to say your information is wrong, or your view is wrong, but I'm fairly certain that people aren't going to get a positive message from your speech. Maybe you'll turn ears and have people get mad/emotional about it in the way you want, but I honestly believe they'll just shut you out.

lol you were correct. I was just looking at the spelling of the word and not the context.

Yea, I'm probably going to rewrite it to a bit friendlier terms so I don't come off as an *** hole. It will also make me look better if I don't resort to looking like an angry nut job like he did.
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Divide and conquer...its sad to see how stupid humans are although the ***is standing if front of their faces they still can't see...
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Leviathan.Anbu said:
Divide and conquer...its sad to see how stupid humans are although the ***is standing if front of their faces they still can't see...

I hope you aren't buying into his white supremacy theory. Lets look at some facts:

-Slavery was created by Africans who sold blacks of rival tribes to white men.

-Mexico is a ***hole because they have a corrupt government and a weak system. We *** that we don't want to cut off imigration but Mexico's own imigration laws are FAR MORE STRICT than our own. The only difference is that Mexico is a ***hole and people want to live in America. Who's fault do you think that is? I think it's Mexican's quite obviously.

-People act like we can just help everyone who is down. Dear god lets just give out money to every person. (We'd just create inflation and people would be equally as poor). However, lets assume for second that it wouldn't cause inflation. Do you think the world could afford to do it? Maybe we should just eliminate money all togethor and live in peace and harmony singing campfire songs and smoking pot while listening to the beetles. Oh yea that's the typical radical left agenda.

-Lets also assume that "the man" is trying to keep us down. Just who is "the man"? Do you think its corperations? Sure, but guess what you don't need a corporate job and you don't need to live off of corporations; you can just own a farm. Oh, thats right, you probably don't want to be a farmer so maybe you should start your own business? Oh, that's right you're too pussy to do that too, maybe you should just go get a job. Oh, that's right somebody else owns the company you're working for because they did have the balls to make themselves a success and that's why you're on the bottom and they're on the top.

-I love how he bashes Bill Gates as if he's some horrible man. The guy was a genius who invented something nobody else has done before. *** just want to blame people who are successful because they're jealous. (Haters gonna hate).


Lets talk about the liberal Agenda though, because there certainly is one.

-Legalizing drugs: Because it is clearly just out there to keep blacks down. Well you know, there is a thing called the Bloods and the Crips and they're minoritys. Ever hear of gang violence? Sure whites kill people too but they're crazy *** white folks who have mental disorders. A lot of the gang violence is done without mental disorders, without care and just simply because a *** got get his money. But lets not talk about that, that's racist.

-Closing Borders: Hey guys lets not close the border because imigrants have every right to be here and not pay taxes. Lets completely ignore the fact that the border is a war zone and mexicans are killing and injuring patrol groups down there. Why do you think the left wants to bring in imigrants? Oh, that's right because mexicans are more likely to vote liberal than republican. Mexicans will also bring down the price of labor in the country and cause deflation of wages for American workers.

-Now that we have you dumb middle class folks hating the rich and powerful(even though the left elites are rich and powerful), we can now chain you to the government. Lets start expanding government aid to the unemployeed, the sick, the single parents, the poor. Lets keep these people poor by making them dependent on government. (Cause god knows once your *** starts getting that government check you aint gonna give it up. Your *** is gonna march on *** washington the second we try to take away the money that you didn't *** earn in the first place)


(I wrote this in a hurry, *** you if i made a grammer or spelling error)
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Political correctness, hypersensitivity, and forced diversity; three big problems in modern society.
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Caitsith.Zefiris said:
Political correctness, hypersensitivity, and forced diversity; three big problems in modern society.

this

seriously why is everybody so *** sensitive all of the sudden?
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Leviathan.Hastefeet said:
Caitsith.Zefiris said:
Political correctness, hypersensitivity, and forced diversity; three big problems in modern society.

this

seriously why is everybody so *** sensitive all of the sudden?
I think it's guilt. Instead of getting over it, let's hold on to something we can milk for easy jobs or straight up cash.
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Caitsith.Zefiris said:
Leviathan.Hastefeet said:
Caitsith.Zefiris said:
Political correctness, hypersensitivity, and forced diversity; three big problems in modern society.
this seriously why is everybody so *** sensitive all of the sudden?
I think it's guilt. Instead of getting over it, let's hold on to something we can milk for easy jobs or straight up cash.

Honestly, it was created as a tool for debate. If you always debate in such a manner that any disagreement brands your opponent as a racist then you can't lose. Everyone is afraid to be considered a racist or something. I always like it whne black people are like:

"Don't call me Black, I'm African American."
Then I say, "What am I?"
Them, "You're White."
Me, "Oh ok then you're black"

That conversation ALWAYS goes that way and it ALWAYS pisses ppl off.
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African American is actually incorrect unless you were orignially born in Africa and now live in America. Otherwise you are American of African decent. That is if you are not like me and dont wanna call myself American of European decent evey time i fill out paperwork.