Come On People

Agreed, I would just like to add 1 thing... if you are not contributing GTFO.

Idk i did my rdm 50~85 in abyssea non-leech/chest popper healing a pt.

what do you see 99% of whm's do in abyssea.. cure 3/4 and haste?

If they have mp issues pop one of the numerous soothing light chests that rot away >_>

I seen plenty players who leveled the legit way and still suck.. and seen plenty players who ktnl'd and/or leeched and are decent/good, depending on how much time they spent on it once they finished.

if ur good at games, ur gonna be good at anything u do with the time put into it, weather its ffxi or another game or a job otw to level cap or post level cap. just like the ppl who naturally suck at video games will more than likely always suck no matter what job or game it is.

if a whm is spamming cure 4 they're doing it wrong, though i do agree, ISLs are pretty frequent enough to make that work pretty well.

not really a whm thread but cure 4 is ok to cast if you understand how much enmity you and your party have ...

which, surprisingly, a lot of people dont know how enmity works.. or they just dont pay attention when leveling whm lol

zomg.. thf just pulled a mob.. i better cure 4 him :o

Lol, aye.
A dead healer is always is much more productive anyhow. ^.~

yeah, chest *** should be 2 per alliance, was in an alliance that had 2 chest *** 2 leechers, and one guy goes "gotta take off now, gonna let my friend come in my place." Out goes 85 rng in comes 60 drk.

Keep in mind, that if you're just going to spam keys and open everything, ANYONE can be a chest *** while doing their job, the only exception is the gold pyxides. Makes a macro "/item "forbidden key" <stnpc>" and you can open chests while casting/fighting/tp'ing/running.

The best chest *** would have to be cor, even if they're in a party where they may not necessarily have the rolls at that level to really be of the most use, they can spam their two hour every time a soothing light chest drops, which means the whole party can also have free reign over their 2-hours too.

Full aurore mnks are the real leeches here.

This, ***. Stop bitching about key *** and do something about the real leeches.
With refresh atmas it's quite easy to do so. Went 48-66 on RDM hasting every DD + the BRDs who were pulling, refreshing the BLMs, and curing as necessary. Maybe there's a certain amount of "don't suck" involved here, but it's quite possible to take an underleveled healer to Abyssea and still contribute. I probably contributed more than all but 2-3 people in the alliance...

How about the leechers that aren't even using keys? :O

Are they casting haste?

Nah, I'd consider haste contributing. lulz

We've allowed it a few times - I certainly don't support it in weak groups where things like basic buffs, fast cures, and even acceptable gear aren't a guarantee, but it shouldn't really hurt stronger groups. I'd much prefer they contribute one way or another though. Can't remember a time we've had an afk leech where they weren't just afk to get dinner or something that was only going to have them away for an hour or so at most, and even that's only allowed for ls members. We tend to kick people who go afk and stay that way.

leaching is not the problem. If you /seal all invites from lvl 1-70 there is about 10 people lfg. How can you blame people for that when there is no way to pt anymore. Thats the direction this game is going. Ayssea pt's only now. I leveld all my jobs threw regualr pts to 75. People *** that you wait for hrs to get a pt, but the game is dieing. So do whatever yu have to do to level now, leach or whatever, opening chests is not leaching to me cause you actually moving. I see more lvl 80+ standing around afk.

Bards who cast minuet are leeches, too. ; -; On a more serious note, the only thing I care about is the exp I get. When an abyssea party has more than three "key ***" that's when I get annoyed, because that's when they are taking up valuable party space that could be better filled with real jobs like bards or dancers or real DDs. I honestly don't care how you level your job, as long as you're not getting in the way of me getting some decent exp.

March not minuet -.-

Never!

I'm an older player so I happened to get most of my 75's the "right way". Few after level sync even. Truth is this game isn't exactly new anymore, sure we get add-ons.. but they're really there for the players who have been in FF for quite some time. To be honest, there really is little to no chance of leveling up like the original ways. And yes it is pretty sad that most of those things that veteran players learned from partying and even the memories (either funny, great, or shitty) from partying in certain areas (i.e. the MPK/LS wars era, and Garlaige Citadel/Crawler's Nest...) have pretty much become non-existent for people who are now joining FF. ..And I think it's way too damn late to join FF nowadays anyways.

But hey... I'm no noob or new player so, hell... what's it to me? I know how to play -my- jobs so I can /point, /laugh at the fools who don't bother learning. And I enjoyed the partying days; I'm happy I played back then. In sum.. >_> FFXI is old now and different.. can't really complain about what direction things happen to take, because well... it achieves nothing.


tl;dr version: Nvm.....why bother to try summarizing things to someone who doesn't give two shits about reading?

I did read your reply and all of them, and if you read all of mine youll see i said you went above and beyond the box ppl i have seen. I was attacking you when you say "THERE IS NO HONOR blaa blaa F'IN BLAA...." You didnt exclude yourself. So, it clear where you are. I know alot of ppl that have honor and ethics in game. I cant teach ppl how to be 'good' it was thier parents job... seems they failed in alot of cases. I have you saying there are no ethics and I can white knight about it but, it seems it wouldnt do any good because everyone is a lion and we have no honor. You fail in you argument and will fall over in life too with that mindset. Have fun in your life with your friends and familiy that have no honor or ethics. You are not neutral, you are in the group of lions that have no honor, remember. Just stay in your reallity and you world of a**holes.

My last abyssea pt we had several people afk at least 6. had someone get hate from resting from a crapaudy and died and just sat there dead. the blm says brb but an half hour later nothing so we had to reform party because said blm was the leader... 2 hours later the blm timed out. why do people think they can get away with AFKing for huge periods of time? most people eventually notice... its sad. As people said before the Key *** is contributing something to the group the people who afk for hours on end do not. People who just leave without letting anyone know before hand annoy me also. it seems to be mostly JP that do that in my parties... give us a warning damn so we can have a replacement for you as you leave >.>

i was key *** some times.
besides the leeching (which really starts after 1 hour, because you won't get exp the first half an hour anyway or longer depending on your alliance.) i did finding replacements for thos who left; counted lights and opened chests. anything else i had to do? no because that ***is still much stuff to do while managing chests. because every single idiot that goes afk over 15 minutes when saying "brb2 min" has to be kicked blacklisted and thrown onto a pile of ***. i work for my exp and yes i enjoy it. so what's your problem? If you can find a rep yourself that's fine but most tards are lazy (and not only DD's) so that's where i come in.

I've read this, like.. 3 times and little to none of this makes any sense. Before you start preaching about honor and ethics you might wanna practice spelling, proper grammar and punctuation. No one will take you seriously if you can't even spell simple words like family correct. Just sayin'.

Kicked a person in the group I went w/ yesterday for Cure botting. We were on Crawlers in Atthowaa, they arent too tough but bad position of the mob means everyone gets nailed w/ incinerate. Theres this rdm in my party who i will not name. Was sitting on 1010 MP the entire party. Except he would refresh himself, then cast stoneskin. Toss maybe a cure III out here and there.. actually Cure III on himself was all I saw and that was when he got hit w/ mild incinerate dmg. Our alliance was in bad condition from our WHM leaving, and the only other RDM was our sleeper. Incinerate just about hit and threw everyone in red and this RDM in my party is just standing around for an hour, doing nothing but the same routine and sitting on full MP. I ended up switching parties and on SMN i main healed (much easier with cure 4 now), but I started to get curious, so the leader booted him. For over an hour he stayed in the same position, casted refresh on himself.. then stoneskin... and then even cured our alliance from the outside but only 1 person! If he was really there he most likely would have said something or go angry and not let his time run out right?

No names given. I'm seeing this way too much lately. This is actually the 2nd encounter of this guy, the first time he was on SCH. Then just random ppl. After a while you can just tell somethings fishy.

We tried talking to the guy in party chat too- we were talking about how hes just standing around doing nothing but curing himself and on full MP while the rest of the mages are dieing from curing so much.
That grinds my gears. I mean... if your gonna run a cure bot would you seriously walk away from ur PC entirely and just think that a bot is gonna be intelligent enough to really replace a real player? Just a thought, Im not saying its okay to use a bot in Abyssea like this. I just think all around its lame. I like to think things thoroughly alot but I just dont get it.

Sometimes the bot will be more intelligent than a real player sadly enough -_-

Yeah I guess. The cure reaction was pretty darn fast but it was only targeting himself and 1 other person out of 15 people.

When I'm RDM in Abyssea I Refresh the people who need it in my party, maybe throw some hastes. It all depends on the situation. If Im main healing, I wont toss many hastes out if Im struggling on MP. One thing I do make sure I do to every mob though-- Dia III and Slow II(especially if there is no bard). Maybe it gets into a situation where my playing style vs this guys is clearly different.

It was pretty obvious he was running a cure bot and that saddens me. It makes me think about how many dang people out there do this and get away with it.

People will stop bot EXP'ing in Abyssea alliances when alliance leaders consistently kick them. Sure, it *should* be each person responsibility to do their part and not leech in Abyssea EXP, but frankly, in a group of 18 randomly selected people, there's always gonna be 1-2 douchebags, 1-2 morons, and 1-2 gimps ... and those people just aren't likely to pull their weight. Thus, it falls on the group leader to kick their sorry *** out.

Unless that happens, lazy and/or busy and/or selfish people will just keep at it.

Moral of the story, kick 'em. And leave them in Abyssea, too (not D2) so their Visitant Status time gets wasted. At least they might get some enhancing magic skill-ups from their Refresh/Stoneskin bot-spamming.

Why does it REALLY bother you if people leech?