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That would only be +74acc w/ a B+ Weapon, still would require pizza

i have to agree, while compared to nin or pld, dnc cant exactly compare

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they can still tank rather nicely even against alot of high-end nm's

wut

If my 85 DRG does not have capped ACC on certain mobs in abyssea eating meat IE frogs, there is now way in hell a DNC can cap ACC, and if you are trying to tell me a DNC can have higher ACC than my DRG then you are just crazy <.<

DNC over time is the BEST healer if TP is not a issue hands down, kicks the ***out of WHM/RDM/SCH and NOTHING can replace haste samba, so DNC is pretty amazing, the only thing I hate is over zealous dancers who think they are more then ^ Its like a WAR/WHM saying he is the new PLD and no other PLD can compare.

actually..they can...look at gear sets

4 more from a different back piece and some others but that is pretty close

Well, since FFXI is mostly based on abyssea now(you can't disagree lol), mages get access to ridiculous refresh atma which makes the dnc the non-ideal healer because of its timers.

In Woe (except the third arena) DNC is quite nice as a healer though ^^.

No, the simple fact you are comparing a Dual Wield Job vs. a 2 Handed job with lvl 3 Acc Bonus is beyond my understand of what the *** you may be thinking, maybe its a little late?

i may be a zealot, and you may be right about hasso being broken. but people need to realize that dnc can DD very well (not the best) and still dish out heals and keep haste samba up

Fance Dance, its like sentinel but lasts 5 minutes, trust me a DNC can take a hit.

Ixion is all about knowing how to avoid its TP moves, and DD are constantly taking dmg, what is the best source of gaining enmity? Cures, what does DNC do best? Cure.

I didnt want to believe it at first we let the dude tank it for shits and giggles, I did not expect him to do as well as he did.

But I dont want to derail this, DNC can tank nuff said.

I've commented on the mechanics involved previously. It can, but it's far from efficient and your DDs have to hold back a lot or they'll effortlessly overtake you, at which point I'd ask why you didn't have them tanking to begin with. We're actually worse off in that department than when I made that post now that the level cap has increased... less hate from cures.

Not worthwhile.

Yeah, that was a bit much. Still, the gap between DDs isn't as significant as it's sometimes made out to be, and Abyssea helps DNC quite a bit if you have the proper abyssites and atmas. I'd still encourage DNCs to emphasize support over DDing, but there is not and has never been anything wrong with contributing DPS once your support roles (both debuffs and cures/healing waltz) are taken care of.

Best source of VE yes, but capping VE has always been trivial... Damage is the best source of CE, not cures, and that's why DNC won't keep up in a tanking situation without conservative DDs or some TAs. Fantod's not a bad competitor as CE generation goes either :P

can we not talk down to friggin everybody that posts here mankey? k thx... dnc gets acc bonus 3 as well..look it up... and the gear sets for straight acc+ are fairly similar..but dnc gets a slight edge..the 2h dex bonus is gonna pull ahead by maybe a few acc points..but not much if any...calm the hell down though when you post lol...seriously

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how did your dancer get hate at all lol I tank DI every day on sam/nin

I am not meaning to sound like i am talking down to you, its generally why i apologize for previous posts that seem harsh, but the face is, it would be more then a couple points Dual Wield vs. 2 hander.

I really believe almost any DD could tank DI now lol

Same way I would keep hate on my PLD, ive tanked Ixion well over 100+ Times, cures are the most stable form of enmity on that thing. It has a 50-75% damage reduction from the front so a regular DD attacking from the front trying to hold hate off other DD attacking it from behind just is not going to happen.

This is at 75 though, I havent touched Ixion once since abyssea has been released, useless HNM is useless.

no its not though mank..look at the gear sets...they both get acc bonus 3, and the dex/acc of 2x kila+1 is more than a dex+ polearm (which i, at first thought was good..but its actually stupid to augment with ToM) so that weapon is kind of even moot as its impractical..but dex+/acc+ kila+1s isn't as bad, because its a WS mod for all dagger WS...

short 2% haste but it is faster

2 DDs, one to the front and the other behind. WS to gain hate when DI's facing the other way, that alone is more than even an ideal DNC (and I'm talking one hell of a cure cheat + HQ enmity set here) is going to get from a single Waltz III cheat.

Depends on how much haste you have. DW Mirke + Bullwhip still wins though.

yea and dancer isnt a DD on hnms lol abyssea xp mobs ok, mobs with high defense and evasion not so much

i didnt want to touch on this since what im gonna say is kinda moot.... but i'll atleast say something on the matter.

while in abyssea doing nm's while i wasnt riding fan dance (used it when it was needed) i was pulling the most hate. my healing wasnt being spammed and at the same time i wouldnt say every DD there was top geared... and depending on the mob you can /war for double voke

good point...

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The skill alone would put DRG ahead from being a A+ and not B+, never mind the fact its a 2 hander vs. Dual Wield, It would be close to a degree just because DNC has decent acc for a DW, but wouldnt be less then 10% and not enough to allow use of meat vs. pizza

Night would Mirke > New body? Pizza would be used regardless so I wouldn't see why not generally right?