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By Shiva.Xet 2010-08-27 03:00:08
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Ramuh.Cloudbreak said:
Yes but Jumps are our specialty that is what makes a dragoon not the wyvern (from previous installments) it's just a plus but this is a MMOrpg so it has to change somewhat. But under the right player a drg could be alot more useful then some other dds (those that have trouble getting rid of hate)and our jumps give us options on how we want to approach the enemy. It's not always about dealing the most damage but how u play the job. :)

Don't get me wrong I adore my drg (looking for chloris buds for it) nor am i saying another jump would be bad par se but there is so much more they could have done w/o adding yet another JA that we already have in some fashion.
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By Ramuh.Cloudbreak 2010-08-27 03:00:38
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Pet should get SJ traits w/o crappy af. pet with sTP/MDB/DA/Zanshin becomes much more useful.
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I totally agree there should have give wyvern subjob traits to begin with. and change the shitty relic body to something better like increase wyvern acc
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By Shiva.Berzerk 2010-08-27 03:01:48
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Jump that inflicts amnesia would be nice... make AV even easier!
 
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By Ramuh.Cloudbreak 2010-08-27 03:32:08
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Soul Jump (DRG Lv.85 Effect Duration: 3 min.)
Delivers a high jumping attack on a targeted enemy which suppresses enmity. Effect enhanced when wyvern is present.
*The recast timer for Soul Jump is shared with High Jump.

?????? that's all im saying about this. Not happy at all
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By Ramuh.Cloudbreak 2010-08-27 03:32:39
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Asura.Bartimaeus said:
Soul Jump
Delivers a high jumping attack on a targeted enemy which suppresses enmity. Effect enhanced when wyvern is present.


lol yup

dang u beat me to it
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By Shiva.Xet 2010-08-27 03:32:51
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What a load of bs.
 
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By Shiva.Xet 2010-08-27 03:33:57
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It was but it's still crap =/
 
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By Bismarck.Tuvae 2010-08-27 03:57:43
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Wah hoo! screwed over again!
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By Alexander.Leostrife 2010-08-27 05:03:50
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Oh well, lets wait for part II!
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By Shiva.Superdan 2010-08-27 05:09:37
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I am dissapoint.

But.. hey, spirit jump has been nicer than Jump for me so.. I guess this will be an improvement at least.. No matter how small it might be.
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By Bismarck.Sotek 2010-08-27 05:36:58
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Shiva.Superdan said:
I am dissapoint.

But.. hey, spirit jump has been nicer than Jump for me so.. I guess this will be an improvement at least.. No matter how small it might be.

Thank god someone isn't an idiot.

I know SE doesn't love SAM anymore, but you do all realize how broken four jumps, conserve TP, mini-meditate (from Spirit Link) and everything from /SAM would be, right? Saying DRG gets ***again is just *** ignorant. You're worse than BLMs.

Spirit Jump is much nicer than Jump if it pushes you into a 5 hit (typically if Conserve TP kicks in). If Soul Jump has the same TP bonus (arguably it would be greater given the recast), you'd have the same five hit build you get every three minutes with Skystrider, just without the shitty weapon.
Though I imagine Soul Jump will have a completely different bonus, it will still be situationally great. Though I'd much rather SE come up with something different than another *** jump. DRG originally only had one jump, FFXIs DRG was meant to be about the Wyvern ffs.
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By Shiva.Superdan 2010-08-27 05:42:20
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Bismarck.Sotek said:
Shiva.Superdan said:
I am dissapoint.

But.. hey, spirit jump has been nicer than Jump for me so.. I guess this will be an improvement at least.. No matter how small it might be.

Thank god someone isn't an idiot.

I know SE doesn't love SAM anymore, but you do all realize how broken four jumps, conserve TP, mini-meditate (from Spirit Link) and everything from /SAM would be, right? Saying DRG gets ***again is just *** ignorant. You're worse than BLMs.

Spirit Jump is much nicer than Jump if it pushes you into a 5 hit (typically if Conserve TP kicks in). If Soul Jump has the same TP bonus (arguably it would be greater given the recast), you'd have the same five hit build you get every three minutes with Skystrider, just without the shitty weapon.
Though I imagine Soul Jump will have a completely different bonus, it will still be situationally great. Though I'd much rather SE come up with something different than another *** jump. DRG originally only had one jump, FFXIs DRG was meant to be about the Wyvern ffs.

I believe the jump would be nice, however it's just dissapointing to have an ability 'revamped' rather than something new. As long as the "Supresses Emnity" effect can hold it's weight vs the emnity shed of High Jump.. I'm happy, as like you said, we will most liekly recieve more TP. And more TP = more Drakes = Happy Me :D
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-08-27 05:43:42
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And DRG still stays in the depths of mediocrity.

GG SE.
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By Carbuncle.Calem 2010-08-27 05:44:35
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Did anybody else burst out laughing when they read about Soul Jump? I certainly did.

(SE) Hey DRGs! You know how we gave you a new jump last time?
(DRGs) Yeah... that was nice I guess.
(SE) Well, we're giving you yet ANOTHER jump in the next update! :D
(DRGs) Whoa, really? This soon?
(SE) Yup! Hope you enjoy it!
(DRGs) Wooo go us!

A few days later

(SE) Hey guys? Want to know more about your new jump?
(DRGs) Oooh yes please.
(SE) It's Spirit Jump! Again! :D
(DRGs) :|
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2010-08-27 09:45:20
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For *** sake I have to redo my category 1 merits if I feel like coming back.... GDI <_<


Whats best now? capped Spirit link/Super Jump? Next update they will make some jump share timers with SJ I bet <.<
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By Asura.Rinkydink 2010-08-27 09:48:09
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dont bother your drg merits dont affect spirit jump recast..

so tbh.. ill guess the 3rd update will give us a jump that links with super jump timer...


im going by the SE pattern of "WE LOVE TO MAKE DRGS LOOK LIKE ZEBEDEE!"
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2010-08-27 09:49:59
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Asura.Rinkydink said:
dont bother your drg merits dont affect spirit jump recast..

so tbh.. ill guess the 3rd update will give us a jump that links with super jump timer...


im going by the SE pattern of "WE LOVE TO MAKE DRGS LOOK LIKE ZEBEDEE!"


I capped jump and high jump /cry
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By Asura.Rinkydink 2010-08-27 09:50:24
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yeh butt *** or what
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2010-08-27 09:51:35
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Probably just gonna go focus on WAR if I reactivate =X
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-08-27 09:51:59
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How much enmity is this new jump gonna shed off?
Is it gonna be worth using over high jump at all?
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By Bismarck.Danz 2010-08-27 10:36:09
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I'm not even DRG and I'm enraged over this....
almost seems like an insult at this point
they could just make jumps get better over levels but no... they just... yea... WTF...
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By Ramuh.Cloudbreak 2010-08-27 12:26:08
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Bismarck.Sotek said:
Shiva.Superdan said:
I am dissapoint.

But.. hey, spirit jump has been nicer than Jump for me so.. I guess this will be an improvement at least.. No matter how small it might be.

Thank god someone isn't an idiot.

I know SE doesn't love SAM anymore, but you do all realize how broken four jumps, conserve TP, mini-meditate (from Spirit Link) and everything from /SAM would be, right? Saying DRG gets ***again is just *** ignorant. You're worse than BLMs.

Spirit Jump is much nicer than Jump if it pushes you into a 5 hit (typically if Conserve TP kicks in). If Soul Jump has the same TP bonus (arguably it would be greater given the recast), you'd have the same five hit build you get every three minutes with Skystrider, just without the shitty weapon.
Though I imagine Soul Jump will have a completely different bonus, it will still be situationally great. Though I'd much rather SE come up with something different than another *** jump. DRG originally only had one jump, FFXIs DRG was meant to be about the Wyvern ffs.

Ouch very harsh words. There is no need to call other people idiots just because they don't share the same opinion as you. The new jumps are not broken cause they are link to the other jumps so still 130 recast jump and 300 high jump only difference is the effect which happens to be the same thing, they could have at least made it a different effect.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2010-08-27 12:30:30
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SE said:
Soul Jump (DRG Lv.85 Effect Duration: 3 min.)
Delivers a high jumping attack on a targeted enemy which suppresses enmity. Effect enhanced when wyvern is present.
*The recast timer for Soul Jump is shared with High Jump.

It sounds like it acts like a buff or something. Instead of shedding enmity, maybe it will give you Enmity -X for 3 minutes.
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By Bismarck.Rinomaru 2010-08-27 12:36:57
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:Dragoon used super jump:
:Dragoon landed but broke his ankle:
:Dragoon is bound:

whew
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By Bismarck.Luces 2010-08-27 12:39:21
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Bismarck.Sotek said:
Shiva.Superdan said:
I am dissapoint.

But.. hey, spirit jump has been nicer than Jump for me so.. I guess this will be an improvement at least.. No matter how small it might be.

Thank god someone isn't an idiot.

I know SE doesn't love SAM anymore, but you do all realize how broken four jumps, conserve TP, mini-meditate (from Spirit Link) and everything from /SAM would be, right? Saying DRG gets ***again is just *** ignorant. You're worse than BLMs.

Spirit Jump is much nicer than Jump if it pushes you into a 5 hit (typically if Conserve TP kicks in). If Soul Jump has the same TP bonus (arguably it would be greater given the recast), you'd have the same five hit build you get every three minutes with Skystrider, just without the shitty weapon.
Though I imagine Soul Jump will have a completely different bonus, it will still be situationally great. Though I'd much rather SE come up with something different than another *** jump. DRG originally only had one jump, FFXIs DRG was meant to be about the Wyvern ffs.

First off your statement is so inaccurate.

Spirit jump gives as much tp as a full jump tp build gives so technically if you are one of the people that spent all the gil and time into getting all those pieces spirit jump just frees up your inventory. Spirit jump also only gives the boost if your wyvren is alive so yeah that's not always the case in heavy AoE situations, and if you say it pushes you into a 5hit not including spirit jump in those 5 hits then again your math is off(since jumps are on recast timers they cant be included in every round of swings).

Do you know how the wyvrins work? every time we use our tp they use their tp and they build tp slower then we do and their is no way of making your wyvrin keep its tp while sub sam except to kill a mob with a weapon skill. That is the only way spirit link is useful for the tp gain /SAM, not /mage it can be useful /mage. Even then its still a very small boost its not even comparable to the boost sam's get to their meditate from af, or relic.

4 Jumps? yes how many can we use? 3. How many of the ones we can use at a time do damage or give tp? 2. this 5th jump we are about to get does it change the number of jumps we can use at a time? No.
Also if you have relic legs high jump already suppress 60% of your hate. So this jump would have to give 3 more tp then regular high jump and suppress 70% of the enmity you had gained so far in the battle so actually be considered a new jump.

So basically we got 2 high jumps and until we find out exactly how much enmity it suppress they are the exact same move and share the same timer.

So keep your boohooig butt hurt Sam *** out of here since you clearly don't know the job at all. I also just came from the blm forum and its all excited about the update and wondering what the -ja spells are while their is negativity because well it is SE we are dealing with all in all blm's are generally happy about this update.

edit* spirit jump also adds no bonus like jump does when spirit surge is active so we can assume that soul jump wont either so they added 2 new jumps and didn't even tie them into merits or the 2 hour even
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By Caitsith.Linear 2010-08-27 13:01:02
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Siren.Thoraeon said:
SE said:
Soul Jump (DRG Lv.85 Effect Duration: 3 min.)
Delivers a high jumping attack on a targeted enemy which suppresses enmity. Effect enhanced when wyvern is present.
*The recast timer for Soul Jump is shared with High Jump.

It sounds like it acts like a buff or something. Instead of shedding enmity, maybe it will give you Enmity -X for 3 minutes.

Maybe it suppresses enmity like Spirit Jump, but adds something else instead of TP? Maybe even a self-buff type ability? I didn't notice the wording. Different from Spirit Jumps update notes.
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By Shiva.Superdan 2010-08-28 08:42:26
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Bismarck.Lucas said:
4 Jumps? yes how many can we use? 3. How many of the ones we can use at a time do damage or give tp? 2. this 5th jump we are about to get does it change the number of jumps we can use at a time? No.
Also if you have relic legs high jump already suppress 60% of your hate. So this jump would have to give 3 more tp then regular high jump and suppress 70% of the enmity you had gained so far in the battle so actually be considered a new jump.

Shedding hate & Supresses emnity are differant. By the sounds of the jump, it lowers your emnity gain by a certain % for 3 minutes, as the post above points out:
Siren.Thoraeon said:
SE said:
Soul Jump (DRG Lv.85 Effect Duration: 3 min.)
Delivers a high jumping attack on a targeted enemy which suppresses enmity. Effect enhanced when wyvern is present.
*The recast timer for Soul Jump is shared with High Jump.

It sounds like it acts like a buff or something. Instead of shedding enmity, maybe it will give you Enmity -X for 3 minutes.

If this is the case, the suppressed emnity may be saving your *** MORE in the long run (As a 3 min duration.. on 3 min recast.. makes it pretty much full time -emnity) compared to a spiked hate shed. It's impossible to say which jump is better at what until we get more information and testing. There is no need to be QQing.
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