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DRG = Pet job?
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By Leviathan.Gotterdammerung 2010-10-27 01:16:07
Drg is a pet job because they have a pet.
But they dont usually have a place in a pet shell because they just dont fit into the strategy.
If u really wanted to be a dragoon in a pet shell im shure u could do it. You would just prolly die a lot or be put in the cor party so the smns and pups would get more MAB and Macc from drachen roll. All in all you would be a glorified cheerleader because u just dont fit into the strategy of a pet burn.
Personally in my linkshell i wont turn away a dragoon who is a wyvern freak. But i warn them ahed of time that there not gonna have much of a place in events.
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By Cerberus.Leoxtribal 2010-10-27 01:34:22
This is debatable.
Drg Has a wyvern, which indeed is a pet. Drg however does not have the ability to give direct... orders i guess to its pet.
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Now, if you were to ask me personally, i'd say Yes, it is a job with a pet, but it is not a "pet job"
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-10-27 01:40:10
i dont think there is really any debate...yes its a pet job..but the pet doesn't do ***but engage or heal lol. they dont do much is the problem. need your TP to offensively breath or need you to cast a spell to trigger healing breaths. smns are much stronger, as are bst, as are pups as far as their pet goes
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-10-27 01:44:15
I think tarus should be allowed to ride on their dragons. It makes perfect sense.
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By Cerberus.Leoxtribal 2010-10-27 01:47:47
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: I think tarus should be allowed to ride on their dragons. It makes perfect sense.
Indeed it does. I say SE should give tarus that and give every other race the ability to punt tarus :D Fair deal right?
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By Phoenix.Miraun 2010-10-27 06:59:58
So... what color is adaburk?
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2010-10-27 07:01:33
DRG is not a pet job. It just has a permanent enwyvern effect.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-10-27 07:28:29
Siren.Thoraeon said: DRG is not a pet job. It just has a permanent enwyvern effect.
Not as permanent as liked against certain AoE mobs!
I'd say DRG isn't a pet job despite having a "pet", as the fundamental mechanics of the job are entirely different, and the strategies you can use it with.
EDIT: to be more specific, if you're looking for a pedantic definition then DRG is a pet job. If you're looking for a useful definition, it is not.
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Carbuncle.Lynxblade
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By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2010-10-27 07:42:13
Bahamut.Raenryong said: Siren.Thoraeon said: DRG is not a pet job. It just has a permanent enwyvern effect. Not as permanent as liked against certain AoE mobs! I'd say DRG isn't a pet job despite having a "pet", as the fundamental mechanics of the job are entirely different, and the strategies you can use it with. EDIT: to be more specific, if you're looking for a pedantic definition then DRG is a pet job. If you're looking for a useful definition, it is not.
Healing 400 with 6mp is pretty usefull >_>
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-10-27 07:44:22
Two scenarios (correct me if I'm wrong, I never pet burn anything);
1. Melee => can heal sure, but Wyvern is likely to be in full AoE range and hence taking a lot of damage. If you are not going heavy petburn, would be more efficient just to take a dedicated healer.
2. Kiting => idea of pet jobs is that you don't take damage => why bring a DRG when you can bring a SMN or BST/magesub who can sustain themselves and deal damage in this event?
Wyvern can't heal pets either, I am fairly sure.
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By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2010-10-27 07:48:35
Bahamut.Raenryong said: Two scenarios (correct me if I'm wrong, I never pet burn anything); 1. Melee => can heal sure, but Wyvern is likely to be in full AoE range and hence taking a lot of damage. If you are not going heavy petburn, would be more efficient just to take a dedicated healer. 2. Kiting => idea of pet jobs is that you don't take damage => why bring a DRG when you can bring a SMN or BST/magesub who can sustain themselves and deal damage in this event? Wyvern can't heal pets either, I am fairly sure.
Meh, Drg still best dd pet job in game >_<
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-10-27 07:52:21
Oh agreed, in terms of pure melee capabilities it's easily top tier in my opinion. I just don't think it fits into the category of pet jobs as far as battle/tactical mechanics goes.
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By Lakshmi.Emanuelle 2010-10-27 08:10:24
dark knight haves tons of useful mage spells does it make it a hybrid mage job ?????????
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By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2010-10-27 08:10:37
Bahamut.Raenryong said: Oh agreed, in terms of pure melee capabilities it's easily top tier in my opinion. I just don't think it fits into the category of pet jobs as far as battle/tactical mechanics goes. I say drg solo gets by, but not as good as pup bst smn solo
i still like healing myself and others around 400 with just 6mp, but they need to add more ways to cure wyvern, or lower recast timer for pet recast
The thing i wish they would change the most is prolly something like choosing between a dif kinda wyvern, lil tiny blue dragon gets boring
, would love to have a wyvern like that *** drg npc in campaign battle, anyways going to bed
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2010-10-27 08:18:42
DRG solo is like any other DD solo, except you have greater healing potential. It's completely unlike pet job solo which involves lots of kiting and keeping the enemy at arm's length using your pet; some targets DRG will do better than another pet job, and some it will do worse. This is another reason why I don't consider it a pet job for purposes of functionality; they are just so different!
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By Asura.Rinkydink 2010-10-27 08:35:11
lol <3 this..
Bahamut.Raenryong said: DRG solo is like any other DD solo, except you have greater healing potential. It's completely unlike pet job solo which involves lots of kiting and keeping the enemy at arm's length using your pet; some targets DRG will do better than another pet job, and some it will do worse. This is another reason why I don't consider it a pet job for purposes of functionality; they are just so different!
i cannot TELL you how many times ive been saved because my wyvern decided to be a PLD and tank mobs.
and agree
YES its a pet job because end of day its the drg and wyvern cumulative aka dmg wise.
BUT its nto a "pet ls" job.. why?
because end of day most are sic pet owners sit back and relax just heal the pets or w/e and let pet do the work.. drg cant do this.. they just have their "pet" to enhance the job they're doing
Phoenix.Kirana
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By Phoenix.Kirana 2010-10-27 09:06:15
Bst, Pup, and Smn are PET JOBS
Drg is a JOB with a PET
there's the difference
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Sylph.Anuu
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By Sylph.Anuu 2010-10-27 14:35:32
Alexander.Meowryu said:
But anyways, imo DRG is a pet job. It's a job, with a pet. The most you notice the wyvern is when a drg is soloing drg/mage and that wyvern is keeping his *** alive like no tomorrow.
yes, lmao, i'm a taru and i solo quite often. i've been in many situations where all i can do is spam the ***out of head butt
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By Sylph.Anuu 2010-10-27 14:37:26
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: I think tarus should be allowed to ride on their dragons. It makes perfect sense.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2010-10-27 14:53:45
Carbuncle.Lynxblade said: Bahamut.Raenryong said: Siren.Thoraeon said: DRG is not a pet job. It just has a permanent enwyvern effect. Not as permanent as liked against certain AoE mobs! I'd say DRG isn't a pet job despite having a "pet", as the fundamental mechanics of the job are entirely different, and the strategies you can use it with. EDIT: to be more specific, if you're looking for a pedantic definition then DRG is a pet job. If you're looking for a useful definition, it is not.
Healing 400 with 6mp is pretty usefull >_>
only 400 hp? thats pretty weak
Once my wyvern levels up, I generally get into the upper 500s and low 600s. I can also break 1k with Deep Breathing.
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By Ramuh.Scizor 2010-10-27 15:15:49
If you use an item that is designed to remove a status effect from a pet and it works on a Wyvern then yes its a pet job, pretty simple really.
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Phoenix.Haltro
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By Phoenix.Haltro 2010-10-27 15:20:28
DRG is to pet job as DRK is to mage.
It has a pet, yes, but that argument is just splitting hairs. "Pet job" refers to SMN, PUP, and BST; jobs that focus primarily on the pet.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2010-10-27 15:21:11
DRG is a LOL job with a flying lizard as a "pet"...
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Carbuncle.Lynxblade
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By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2010-10-27 15:31:08
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: DRG is a LOL job with a flying lizard as a "pet"... Says the lolmnk!
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By Titan.Lillica 2010-10-27 15:46:20
Does "Increases pet ____" affect wyverns?
Sylph.Anuu
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By Sylph.Anuu 2010-10-27 16:00:56
Titan.Lillica said: Does "Increases pet ____" affect wyverns? you mean like on armor or weapons? no it doesn't, if it's made for a wyvern it says "Increases wyvern ______"
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By Titan.Lillica 2010-10-27 16:28:58
Well for example Aega's Doublet. Has pet ACC on it and DRG can wear it, so no effect on wyverns? Then I would say it is not a pet.
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By Titan.Darkestknight 2010-10-27 16:32:08
Sylph.Anuu said: Titan.Lillica said: Does "Increases pet ____" affect wyverns? you mean like on armor or weapons? no it doesn't, if it's made for a wyvern it says "Increases wyvern ______"
You sure... Stuff like the Aega's Doublet works for PUP BST and SMN so I don't see why it wouldn't work for Dragoon.
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By Alexander.Tidusblitz 2010-10-27 16:44:07
Yea i dont think thats right either, the DRG magian polearms all have a pet: +xx path
So I was reading around on the forums today and noticed in a few places where people refered to "Pet jobs". But then only listed the following jobs: SMN, BST and PUP.
I'm just curious here, do people think DRG is a pet job?
Persoanlly I would say yes, I have leveled both SMN and DRG, and see them both as pet jobs. But wanted to know what everyone else thought. Particularly interested to hear your reasoning if you dont think DRG falls into the catagory.
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