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 Fairy.Spence
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By Fairy.Spence 2012-04-23 07:05:46
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You know we can check your ELO, right?
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By Fenrir.Uzugami 2012-04-23 07:42:54
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Is there a point to counter-jungling someone, when your team has no jungler? I mean someone like WW. >.> What's the point? lol
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By Fairy.Spence 2012-04-23 07:51:54
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I don't see much point to it unless you ward both jungles and continually gank him.
 
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By volkom 2012-04-23 11:55:26
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Fenrir.Uzugami said: »
Is there a point to counter-jungling someone, when your team has no jungler? I mean someone like WW. >.> What's the point? lol

If your team doesn't have a jungler then most likely your team's support doesn't have cv, I mean its possible to gank him in the jungle if you knew his position and you coordinated with the appropriate lanes but honestly this only happens in normals (mostly) so theres probably not much you will do about this.

If your team has a jungler and they other team doesn't then its free reign with him/her and they can accumulate their cs with safety and with easy access to buffs can come to gank lanes whenever they feel like it.

But anyways if your team doesn't have a jungler its best to take your buffs, blue for the ap carry and red for the ranged carry to help out the beginning early lane phases. also if they solo the camps with little help but last hit all the mobs they get a free level
 
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-04-23 12:13:50
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Fairy.Spence said: »
You know we can check your ELO, right?

I couldn't find any ELO for Lenn767, but I found a crapton of rage posts on the official LoL forums XD
smurf account isnt a main account.
 
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-04-23 13:33:53
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Shiva.Schatzie said: »
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Fairy.Spence said: »
You know we can check your ELO, right?

I couldn't find any ELO for Lenn767, but I found a crapton of rage posts on the official LoL forums XD
smurf account isnt a main account.

both accounts you've stated as having on here that i've looked at have lower ELOs than whatever you said you had so :|
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-04-23 17:20:57
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Xin is very strong early game, but past level 11 he needs to be fed or he won't be useful in team fights compared to other melee carries.

Sadly for xin Fiora is a direct counter to him XD
almost everything counters xin, theyve nerfed him far too hard, and too many times since release. you build him glass cannon, and he dies easily, build him like a meatwall and he does no damage.

all hes good for is pubstomping these days, second rate jungler, second rate solo top.

might as well play new jax, hes basically everything release xin was minus the being able to 1v5 a team like its nothing OP.
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-04-23 17:24:24
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http://championselect.net

fairly decent website for the most part accurate, gives counters and vice versa for every champion.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2012-04-23 21:01:27
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Sion Shaco Rammus freeweek!

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-04-23 21:09:20
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Nobody can play sion right. 9/10 sions i play with or against are ad and 9/10 of those sions suck.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2012-04-23 21:22:57
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Uhhhhhhhh, AD Sion is a goddamn beast, son.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2012-04-23 21:25:09
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ap sion sucks.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-04-23 21:25:34
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Doesn't mean anyone can play ad sion.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-04-23 21:35:22
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The problem with ad sion as I see it is he's really easy to counter. Early game he's super weak, he loses health on hit even if you're last hitting only. Once 6 rolls around you just avoid engaging him solo when his ults up, harass the rest of the time. His only gap closer is the stun, rest of his damage is melee, easy to escape from.

By mid game if he isn't fed he's easy enough to handle, cc when ult is up, destroy when ult is down. If he does get fed he can carry entire teams solo.

Could be wrong on that though :)
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-04-23 21:39:04
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
The problem with ad sion as I see it is he's really easy to counter. Early game he's super weak, he loses health on hit even if you're last hitting only. Once 6 rolls around you just avoid engaging him solo when his ults up, harass the rest of the time. His only gap closer is the stun, rest of his damage is melee, easy to escape from.

By mid game if he isn't fed he's easy enough to handle, cc when ult is up, destroy when ult is down. If he does get fed he can carry entire teams solo.

Could be wrong on that though :)

I feel like an AP sion with only 2 nukes is much easier to counter (pop shield and live through stun and you have no problem)
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-04-23 21:46:30
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While his ult is still viable as ap, I'm not arguing for AP sion, just saying that I meet tons of cocky ad Sions and 9 times out of 10 they feed. I've never played with an even Sion, they either feed or carry hard.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-04-23 21:49:12
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
While his ult is still viable as ap, I'm not arguing for AP sion, just saying that I meet tons of cocky ad Sions and 9 times out of 10 they feed. I've never played with an even Sion, they either feed or carry hard.

yeah, a lot of sions think they can do more than they actually can
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2012-04-23 21:51:11
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So you're still getting used to the LoL community?
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By Bahamut.Serj 2012-04-23 22:36:46
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Cleanse/ignite on AD Sion. Like a boss.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-04-23 22:55:27
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Still needs to be fed for it to matter
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By Bahamut.Serj 2012-04-23 22:56:56
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Not even lol. How new are you to LoL? All you do is get cs hard then you'll melt faces. Don't need any kills at all.
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By Fairy.Spence 2012-04-23 23:13:42
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AD Sion late game can be a huge pest if people don't understand that he needs to die immediately.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-04-23 23:17:22
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AD sion early game doesnt really need to be that fed to do damage
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-04-24 01:20:39
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Fairy.Spence said: »
AD Sion late game can be a huge pest if people don't understand that he needs to die immediately.
ap sion can do the same, and hard counters many mids. the passive on his E makes him incredibly beefy in a sololane.

2-3 dorans->boots of mobility->rabadons
easy lane sustain, farm all day, become beefy as ***. boots of mobility make/break his AP game, with that .9 ratio on his shield, its perfect for team fight burst if the sion knows what it's doing.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2012-04-24 01:35:36
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Shiva.Schatzie said: »
boots of mobility make/break his AP game

You're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. Seriously.
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2012-04-24 04:16:12
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Fairy.Spence said: »
AD Sion late game can be a huge pest if people don't understand that he needs to die immediately.
yea pretty much, Aug and I laned bottom the other night. Even on teemo, they just focus'd hard on him, but I mean you know its Aug so hes like ARGGGG on Sion "come at me bro" style at them as they kept focusing on him and basically feeding me as I picked them off afterward from their attempts at shutting him down early and forgetting about me.

I think he had like 1-8-10 mid game, when they started focusing on me more(after being 6-0-12?), they finally killed me at their blue and I guess they forgot Sion is Sion regardless and Aug saw his opportunity and ripped his shirt hulk style and steamed rolled their entire team over and over, next 4 minutes or so he picked up like 10 or so kills and they surrendered.
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By Fenrir.Tsuji 2012-04-24 04:36:30
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Totally agreed that Sion needs to die right away. If I see a Sion in my lane (I usually go top lane), I try focus on him to deny him as much farm as possible.

Speaking of, I haven't been in the following type of situation yet, but I would like some more advice. When I am playing Wukong (Don't diss him, he's my favourite champ! XD), and I go solo top lane and I am up against a Sion + <insert another champ here>, how should I deal with that kind of situation? When I solo top, I always play very passive and stay in EXP range and turret hug. How can I deny Sion farming when playing passive and making sure I don't set myself up accidentally for a gank?
I mean sure I could E + Q in to hurt him and spam the W button for my decoy, and then make a hasty retreat. But that won't stop Sion, let alone kill him...
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