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 Bismarck.Faelar
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By Bismarck.Faelar 2012-04-11 12:43:08
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I'm a few referrals away from the 2nd reward (1 free tier 3 champ).

So if you haven't played before but was thinking about it, please follow this link to signup and try to at least get to Summoner LV5 :D
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By Fenrir.Hanabira 2012-04-11 14:05:24
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Fenrir.Hanabira said: »
i dont think pvp is too much harder than AI, especially early in the game as we are. AI is more predictable, but players make mistakes, also have fear, which is one of anivia's strongest weapons i think.

AI in this game is very weak and don't use team tactics. I know someone who played only bots game until level 21.

He couldn't do anything at all against players people of his level, the difference is just that big.


What I will recommend you is the same I did for my friend, play bot games until you are feeling like playing something more challenging, then make a new account and do PVP only from level 1.
im level 8 now and ive probably played twice as many pvp matches as AI
By volkom 2012-04-11 14:09:19
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hana~ wanna play a game with me :3 ?
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-04-11 14:15:26
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I added you folks, but may have to re-add you when you're online as I've had issues with being unable to send direct messages to friends if they aren't online when they're added, until I re-add them. So if you send me a message and I don't respond, that's why. Just have to re-add is all.
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By Bismarck.Faelar 2012-04-11 14:31:48
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Playing with Miss Fortune this week since shes in the rotation, close to buying her.
Been buying these items when I play her:

Bloodthirster
Phantom Dancer
Black Cleaver
(Not exactly in this order)

Works well for me, can mow down large groups of minions with 1 Make It Rain very quickly, which = faster gold. Champs go down fairly easily, depending on their level.

Any suggestions for improvements?
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-04-11 14:34:12
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Pretty standard for an AD carry. You may want to look into an Infinity Edge, and Triforce if MF benefits from the Sheen bonus.
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By Bahamut.Seanna 2012-04-11 14:35:15
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Missing LoL like no other when I'm at college. The internet here is so crappy so I can only do bot games till I come back for the weekends. Usually I play Morgana and some friends tell me to get Lux since Morg is usually banned and they're about the same. I'm still iffy since I can see their snares are the same but then I forgot I had this screenie of a friend on Lux and made me consider her more.


Oh, I'm just going to leave these here too:
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By Fenrir.Hanabira 2012-04-11 14:42:21
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volkom said: »
hana~ wanna play a game with me :3 ?

haha yeah i'll play
By volkom 2012-04-11 14:45:20
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Fenrir.Hanabira said: »
volkom said: »
hana~ wanna play a game with me :3 ?

haha yeah i'll play
k this game is almost over~ so i'll invite you when i get out
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By Fenrir.Hanabira 2012-04-11 14:47:39
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be there in a few updating firmware on my 4g thingie :3 gotta be off the radar when youre playing at work
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-04-11 16:43:20
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Bahamut.Seanna said: »
Missing LoL like no other when I'm at college. The internet here is so crappy so I can only do bot games till I come back for the weekends. Usually I play Morgana and some friends tell me to get Lux since Morg is usually banned and they're about the same. I'm still iffy since I can see their snares are the same but then I forgot I had this screenie of a friend on Lux and made me consider her more.
if you like morgana, get cassiopeia. they're much closer playstyle than morganna and lux. lux is much burstier with less damage sustain than either of the other two.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-04-11 17:29:51
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Pretty standard for an AD carry. You may want to look into an Infinity Edge, and Triforce if MF benefits from the Sheen bonus.

my standard MF build is my standard non-triforce ranged AD page, IE and BT with some PD and LW normally work well enough without the on-hit
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-04-11 17:34:24
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Bismarck.Faelar said: »
Playing with Miss Fortune this week since shes in the rotation, close to buying her.
Been buying these items when I play her:

Bloodthirster
Phantom Dancer
Black Cleaver
(Not exactly in this order)

Works well for me, can mow down large groups of minions with 1 Make It Rain very quickly, which = faster gold. Champs go down fairly easily, depending on their level.

Any suggestions for improvements?
rush a bloodthirster if you dont have a healing support so you can duel, IE if you have a healer. 2 dorans and a vamp scepter should give a ton of lane sustain

after one BF sword item, get a phantom dancer so you can kite, then get the other bf sword item you didnt get.

next get either guardian angel for bruisers with cap closers who give you issues, banshees for those long range CCs like ashe arrow or instagib stuns like taric, or QSS for something like a nunu spammable slow.

lastly finish up with a last whisper and a second phantom dancer

MF takes a decent amount of skill to win lanes against some of the more popular carries like graves or cait. GL and happy playing.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-04-11 17:37:13
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i dont know about rushing BT, I've always felt IE normally beats BT in most cases
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-04-11 17:38:52
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Rhaokin said: »
I usually only use Sorcerer's Shoes, unless I actually see someone stacking MR. Usually the people I need to kill as an AP carry don't, though.

On the other hand, I found an article somewhere saying that the higher the enemy's MR is the less effective (though marginally) stacking Magic Penetration becomes vs. Ability Power in damage output.
both resistances get exponentially weaker the more you stack, but someone with 200 MR is going to take hardly anything from a fed mage. its always wise to have sorc shoes and or a void staff on those burst mages who rely heavily upon blowing cooldowns ASAP.

only a few mages i can think of that use cooldown shoes over pen, like vladamir and nidalee off the top of my head, some of their staple moves need to be lowered in order to get the most efficient use out of them.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-04-11 17:40:19
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you dont really need CDR boots on vlad...
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-04-11 17:40:29
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Asura.Lolserj said: »
i dont know about rushing BT, I've always felt IE normally beats BT in most cases
on carries like vayne/cait who have low as hell hell base hp but a passive that gives +damage benefit a ton from the life steal so they can stay in fights/lane longer. examples would be headshot or tumble, as their damage helps lifesteal go up significantly on contact.
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-04-11 17:41:07
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Asura.Lolserj said: »
you dont really need CDR boots on vlad...
when they nerfed his Q from 3 to 4 seconds you do, and they work a hell of a lot better considering how high the base damage is on transfusion.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-04-11 17:41:53
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Shiva.Schatzie said: »
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i dont know about rushing BT, I've always felt IE normally beats BT in most cases
on carries like vayne/cait who have low as hell hell base hp but a passive that gives +damage benefit a ton from the life steal so they can stay in fights/lane longer. examples would be headshot or tumble, as their damage helps lifesteal go up significantly on contact.

i never rush BT over IE on cait and do fine

well i never rush BT over IE on almost anyone who i get both on and do perfectly fine
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-04-11 17:42:26
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Shiva.Schatzie said: »
Asura.Lolserj said: »
you dont really need CDR boots on vlad...
when they nerfed his Q from 3 to 4 seconds you do, and they work a hell of a lot better considering how high the base damage is on transfusion.

again, I get sorc shoes on vlad, have never had problems with cooldowns
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-04-11 17:47:18
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Asura.Lolserj said: »
Shiva.Schatzie said: »
Asura.Lolserj said: »
i dont know about rushing BT, I've always felt IE normally beats BT in most cases
on carries like vayne/cait who have low as hell hell base hp but a passive that gives +damage benefit a ton from the life steal so they can stay in fights/lane longer. examples would be headshot or tumble, as their damage helps lifesteal go up significantly on contact.

i never rush BT over IE on cait and do fine

well i never rush BT over IE on almost anyone who i get both on and do perfectly fine
the difference between someone like vayne and cait compared to mf is that they have steroids for their damage, mf doesnt. mf needs the crit to keep up with a 200 AD headshot or silverbolts. with ad runes and a maxed out bloodthirster, youre going to be a deadly force through the 20-30 minute marker.

as for vlad, the more transfusions he can get off in lane, the longer he can stay there, consider it like haste in XI, being able to cast more spells every few seconds compared to doing like 20-30 more damage a hit isnt really going to compare over time.
By volkom 2012-04-11 17:47:44
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Asura.Lolserj said: »
Shiva.Schatzie said: »
Asura.Lolserj said: »
you dont really need CDR boots on vlad...
when they nerfed his Q from 3 to 4 seconds you do, and they work a hell of a lot better considering how high the base damage is on transfusion.

again, I get sorc shoes on vlad, have never had problems with cooldowns
+29% cooldown reduction in runes :D
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-04-11 17:48:20
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If you really need the extra sustain the boots "would" give a vlad then you probably shouldn't be playing him
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-04-11 17:50:09
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volkom said: »
Asura.Lolserj said: »
Shiva.Schatzie said: »
Asura.Lolserj said: »
you dont really need CDR boots on vlad...
when they nerfed his Q from 3 to 4 seconds you do, and they work a hell of a lot better considering how high the base damage is on transfusion.

again, I get sorc shoes on vlad, have never had problems with cooldowns
+29% cooldown reduction in runes :D

not even that, i just normally play well enough where sustain isnt a problem on vlad

or is schatzie also going to argue heal is a good spell on vlad due to the fact that it stacks with his other abilities

also by the logic that cdr is like haste is like saying attack speed is like haste

when more attack speed != more damage
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-04-11 17:52:23
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volkom said: »

+29% cooldown reduction in runes :D

i play with MR yellows, mpen reds, AP quints, and armor blues. defends really well in solo lanes

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If you really need the extra sustain the boots "would" give a vlad then you probably shouldn't be playing him

thats about the most facepalm worthy quote ive ever seen. lane sustain = farming, farming = gold, laning longer than opponent = gold advantage. gold advantages win games. look at every major tournament, the winning team almost always has a 10-20% team gold advantage over the opponent. why do you think dragon/last hitting is so important?

thing is with 3s transfusion and a revolver, vlad is nearly impossible to zone back to base.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-04-11 17:54:00
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Shiva.Schatzie said: »
volkom said: »

+29% cooldown reduction in runes :D

i play with MR yellows, mpen reds, AP quints, and armor blues. defends really well in solo lanes

Asura.Lolserj said: »
If you really need the extra sustain the boots "would" give a vlad then you probably shouldn't be playing him

thats about the most facepalm worthy quote ive ever seen. lane sustain = farming, farming = gold, laning longer than opponent = gold advantage. gold advantages win games. look at every major tournament, the winning team almost always has a 10-20% team gold advantage over the opponent. why do you think dragon/last hitting is so important?

thing is with 3s transfusion and a revolver, vlad is nearly impossible to zone back to base.

you dont need the boots on vlad for the sustain is all im trying to say

more sustain = more farming if and only if the extra sustain is necessary

if you're playing vlad you shouldn't need the extra sustain
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-04-11 17:57:15
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also i never said farming didn't win games, so i don't know why you're shitting that out
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-04-11 17:57:23
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if you're playing vlad you shouldn't need the extra sustain

you do need that sustain, his Q sucks without spell vamp, or getting it back to at least 3s cd. farming is my reason you need the sustain, it's called an argument rather than "you dont need it because i say so"
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By Sylph.Zaraku 2012-04-11 17:58:41
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-04-11 18:00:02
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Sylph.Zaraku said: »
not bad at all, decent kass build there

but omg that talon and cait on the enemy team wanna make me cry
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