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 Pandemonium.Scrumpet
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By Pandemonium.Scrumpet 2011-12-24 13:13:26
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Phoenix.Deboro said: »
you just lose damage by taking mana regen runes, skip them all together for ap/levels.

lolwut?
I main Orianna, Annie, and Xerath AP MID
For these, I'd ALWAYS choose MP/5 per lvl yellows.

AP Casters I'd choose health/lvl for would be:
Kennen, Vladimir, and Ahri
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By Bismarck.Rharmony 2011-12-24 13:40:46
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Personally, I'd always take AP over mana runes but that's because I never really have mana problems with my AP mids. Only AP I ever have mana problems with is Sion, but that's an easy fix.

Basically. If you have mana problems take em, if you don't then take AP.
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By Diabolos.Tamarand 2011-12-24 14:30:56
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There is only one champ that I even touch AP/AD runes on and that is akali just to get her passive active from the start. IMO you're better off having Magic pen Reds and quints, and MP/5/lvl seals and glyphs.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Yomisha 2011-12-24 14:34:36
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I have a page set up for each. Mana hungry and the not so starved. All depends on your play style. :P
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By Sylph.Spency 2011-12-24 14:45:33
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I'd rather have armor or health before AP on seals.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Yomisha 2011-12-24 15:03:27
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>.>; Ew, Spence.
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By Bismarck.Rharmony 2011-12-24 15:31:57
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Quetzalcoatl.Yomisha said: »
All depends on your play style. :P

^ That right there.

I have 3 AP Pages.
1. Mpen marks, flat AP seals (changing to per lv.) and AP per level Glyph with AP quints.

2. Mpen Marks, Armor Seals, AP per level glyph, 2 Movespeed Quints, 1 AP quint.

3. Same as above, but replace the seals with flat AP. This page will be changing to specifically for ryze.

Second page is for when I do an AP top lane against a bruiser.

Never have mana problems like I said before except on Sion, and it doesn't matter. I play with a premade and am always fed Blue buff because our jungler doesn't need it.
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By Phoenix.Deboro 2011-12-24 15:50:49
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Diabolos.Tamarand said: »
There is only one champ that I even touch AP/AD runes on and that is akali just to get her passive active from the start. IMO you're better off having Magic pen Reds and quints, and MP/5/lvl seals and glyphs.

You dont need magic pen quints for 80% of champs once you buy magic pen boots, 30 MR is standard on all carrys since it never increases, meaning from reds / boots you already do true damage, against a merc boots champ and or tank or someone stacking MR your going to have to buy items to bypass it anyways, AP quints are the way to go.
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By Sylph.Spency 2011-12-24 15:54:59
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Since when doesn't armor and MR scale per level?
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By Phoenix.Deboro 2011-12-24 15:57:25
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Sylph.Spency said: »
Since when doesn't armor and MR scale per level?
Like i said 80% of champs dont scale MR per level, go check it out was a shocker to me aswell. Armor always increases though
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By Phoenix.Deboro 2011-12-24 16:00:23
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All champions begin with 30 base magic resistance. No ranged champions save Nidalee gain magic resistance per level, but many melee champions do, with 52.5 being the maximum magic resistance possible without items, runes, or masteries.

From the wiki, That means all AP's dont scale, aswell as all Ranged AD, so if your midding against any ap besides like Sion or nida you dont need the extra Mpen
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By Sylph.Spency 2011-12-24 16:00:57
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Wow, you're right.

My playstyle is usually harass heavy so I need to mana regen. Even still, late game, I find the mana regen helps out a lot on most AP champs when your cooldowns are lower and you can spam your spells. The 5 (16) or so AP won't make up for the extra spells you can get out.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Yomisha 2011-12-24 16:06:43
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I got a quadra kill on Lux last night. Felt good! XD Triple kill with 1 combo of Q/E and a laser to their faces. The last one almost got away... them melee swings are deadly!
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By Odin.Minefield 2011-12-24 21:40:54
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Go Team Support! WooO
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By Bahamut.Serj 2011-12-24 21:41:43
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Feeding like a boss.

Feels bad man.
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By Carbuncle.Lolserj 2011-12-24 21:43:00
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DOIN THIS ***WITHOUT MEH =(
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2011-12-24 21:43:47
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*** Vayne.
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By Odin.Minefield 2011-12-24 21:45:59
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We did.
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By Carbuncle.Lolserj 2011-12-24 21:46:52
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I would.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2011-12-24 21:48:52
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Carbuncle.Lolserj said: »
I would.
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By Carbuncle.Lolserj 2011-12-24 21:49:28
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Lu too.
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By Odin.Minefield 2011-12-24 21:49:30
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Bahamut.Serj said: »
Carbuncle.Lolserj said: »
I wood.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Yomisha 2011-12-24 21:57:49
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Highest CS! /flex
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By Sylph.Spency 2011-12-24 22:01:38
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You had mid!
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By Carbuncle.Lolserj 2011-12-24 22:02:33
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Spence stole CS and kills from the Carries!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Yomisha 2011-12-24 22:02:42
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I was also at top defending our base the whole time you guys went bot. :P Would have had more kills too!
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By Sylph.Spency 2011-12-24 22:03:21
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Team fights were hella fun.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Yomisha 2011-12-24 22:06:24
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Aye. I loooove Karma's shield for team fights. :3
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By Odin.Minefield 2011-12-24 22:10:38
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Silence all the Ezreal/Sions D:<!

I honestly don't know how I managed 5 kills, all I was doing was Starkill>Starcall>Infuse>starcallacalclaclalcallalca c.c;
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By Carbuncle.Lolserj 2011-12-25 09:07:46
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That is exactly why...
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