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After Haste comes Double Attack?
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By Shiva.Khimaira 2010-07-27 13:58:38
Asura.Cevlina said: Asura.Daleterrence said: Firstly, before anyone else says it:
Job: 71MNK/24NIN I hate going /NIN but people aren't inviting Monks to parties on my sever that much. Sometimes you take what you can get.
He was actually pointing out you weren't even 75, and you didn't have a proper subjob (The job is good, the level of it is not).
I'd reccomend leveling it, it's pretty much what you'll use for 90% of the time as 75 MNK, /WAR is very seldom used, /DNC is not very useful out of soloing low level mobs.
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 Cerberus.Godlyhank
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By Cerberus.Godlyhank 2011-02-22 16:20:55
nowadays dbl attack makes a huuge difference in your DoT i find.... dbl attack gear usually comes with stats on it what help your DoT regardless, for instance if u had 30% double attack with aveage gear, hit 100 time approx 30 more hits added.... thts DoT only.... WSs get a huuuge boost in dmg by dbl attack, and witha double attack come more tp gain.. also another crit oppertunity ok so pretend u got 1 2h wpn u hit 100 a hit about... if you had no haste and just 25% double qttack thats 125 hits for 100 damage = 12,500, 25% haste instead, gets you 125 hits at 100 dmg = 12,500 dbl attack is too underrated imo.... once you got near cap haste tho dbl attack is a well worth investment, esp on WAR and MNK
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By Bahamut.Zorander 2011-02-22 16:23:44
Cerberus.Godlyhank said: nowadays dbl attack makes a huuge difference in your DoT i find.... dbl attack gear usually comes with stats on it what help your DoT regardless, for instance if u had 30% double attack with aveage gear, hit 100 time approx 30 more hits added.... thts DoT only.... WSs get a huuuge boost in dmg by dbl attack, and witha double attack come more tp gain.. also another crit oppertunity ok so pretend u got 1 2h wpn u hit 100 a hit about... if you had no haste and just 25% double qttack thats 125 hits for 100 damage = 12,500, 25% haste instead, gets you 125 hits at 100 dmg = 12,500 dbl attack is too underrated imo.... once you got near cap haste tho dbl attack is a well worth investment, esp on WAR and MNK Seriously 210 day necro.
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By Serj 2011-02-22 16:24:42
Well, he is Godlyhank.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-02-22 16:26:10
Quote: 25% haste instead, gets you 125 hits at 100 dmg = 12,500
You couldn't be any more wrong.
Learn how haste works, then come back and try to compare the two stats.
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By Bahamut.Zorander 2011-02-22 16:30:22
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Quote: 25% haste instead, gets you 125 hits at 100 dmg = 12,500 You couldn't be any more wrong. Learn how haste works, then come back and try to compare the two stats. I didnt even really read his post..but thats pretty funny.
By Spencyono 2011-02-22 16:32:34
I've always understand haste works like this:
100 base hits.
Add 5% haste.
100 x 0.05 = 105 hits.
Add 5% more haste.
105 x 0.05 = 110.25
Add 5% more haste.
110.25 x 0.05 = 115.5125 hits.
Haste gives increasing returns.
I'm awful at math, so correct me if I'm wrong.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-02-22 16:34:27
[(Added haste)/(100-total haste)]x100 = % increase
 Ragnarok.Corres
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By Ragnarok.Corres 2011-02-22 16:45:14
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: [(Added haste)/(100-total haste)]x100 = % increase so let's say i have 20% haste and add 5% with whatever item it would be [(5)/(100-20)]x100 so it would be 6.25% increase?
sry to ask that but i want to finally understand this.
cause i heard so much about what it does and so on and i didn't really bother till now.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-02-22 16:49:24
by total haste, I mean INCLUDING what you just added.
If you have 20 and add 5, your total is 25
5/(100-25) = 5/75 = 0.06666666666 x 100 = 6.67%
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By Ragnarok.Corres 2011-02-22 16:53:27
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: by total haste, I mean INCLUDING what you just added.
If you have 20 and add 5, your total is 25
5/(100-25) = 5/75 = 0.06666666666 x 100 = 6.67% ah thanks.
Cerberus.Godlyhank
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By Cerberus.Godlyhank 2011-02-22 23:28:17
Iv done my job as usual, to bring the lulz xD but on a seriously note if thats the case that means dbl attack is serverely underrated lolz, and i had been using ffxicalculator to do the haste :/ unless its wrong i dunno
 Cerberus.Oblit
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By Cerberus.Oblit 2011-02-22 23:53:50
But haste takes time to proc.
Haste takes time to proc
By Serj 2011-02-23 00:06:45
I still owe everyone a song cover in there...
Cerberus.Godlyhank
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By Cerberus.Godlyhank 2011-02-23 01:04:09
lol :X ok tht is rly bad, i had a mathfail but even i know turban > almost all for tp >.>
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By Cerberus.Godlyhank 2011-02-23 01:04:35
and hi oblit ;p
Bare with me for a moment on this. It's just some theory that I don't have the levels, gill or gear to test. I figured I would post it here to see what people thought.
Ok, well to start off let's get the Haste Slots out of the way:
Head: Turban 5%
Waist: Black Belt 12%
Pants: Byakko's Haidate 5%
Feet: Fuma Sune-Ate 3%
That gets the 25% haste out of the way, now onto the Double Attack:
Base DA from /WAR: 10%
Ursine Claws with DA Aug: 7%, also DMG+23
Brutal Earring: 5%
That's 22% from gear that's easy to get, just time consuming or expensive. Still lower then the OAT from the other Ursine Claws. Next up:
Juogi(+1): 4%/5%
Aesir Mantle: 1%/3%
Juogi is still really hard to get and the Aesir Mantle is situational. 27-30% depending on +1 and Darksday. Now we're just getting to the level of Double Attack on the OAT UClaws.
Now on the buffs
Ifrit's Favor: Gets up to a 12% after some time.
Fighter's Roll: 1-18% or 7-24% with WAR in party.
More variable then the Aesir Mantle. If you have time to build up the Favor and are lucky on the roll that's a +30-36% on top of whatever else you have. Given the optimal gear set up that's about 60% Double Attack, higher then the reported rate of DA and TA on the OAT UClaws combined.
Like I said, just some speculation. Anyone that knows more about this want to comment?
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