Campaign Sham?

Fix'd that for you, don't screw it up again. Should take some lessons from the math folks, though I'm sure you'll just get laughed at more.


Awww did I hit a nerve? Yeah that was yesterday with no sleep, I actually just woke up and got 300 more WSs to do till I complete my trial, so come on, entertain me. Sadly this could have been a very interesting discussion, but nope you had to go and /rage out and ruin it for everyone.

I'm going to hang around this and keep bumping it so people can take an interest and read (Be sure to check pages 2-3 for information 4+ is for the lulz) and get more laughs from seeing how moronic you can be.

So if you can't handle it, piss off.

You know what your talking about according to 2 people in this thread, one being you. You have been repeatedly told your not right in this thread(note how i didnt say wrong, because neither side is right), And id guess that less then 5% of the ffxi population reads these forums. So barring you saying you might try it in the future, your advice does nothing.

Edit: the math folks should take a lesson from me.



This is the sun, it lights the world. Those fluorescent lights above you are not the only light source.

I know what I am talking about cause I bother to do research and ask questions. Also having experianced getting 5k as PLD/WAR is a good feeling, and how did I pull that off? I knew what I was doing.

Actually the only person I recall telling me I'm not right is you. I disreegarded that anon post, stinks to much of an alternate account unless I am proven wrong. Nither side may be right, but I wouldn't be surprised if you have earned the hate of people from the side you claim to support, not everyone likes quick campaign battles.

Personally I'm not going to try and solve it for each server. Enough of the sensible Fenririan's read these forums and would probably assist me, and once again Fenrir is a bit laid back, I could probably convince a few random people to assist me in exchange for gil, which if I theories turn out right, could very well start a small but steadly growing revoultion as word spreads.

This thread will probably not get viewed as often as it should because of the title, the main reason I wanted to start a new thread. People see that title and think "Oh god, another QQ campaign thread."

My advice is usually pretty sound, and the times I'm actually wrong aren't many. Once again, have you been giving out any advice or solutions to solve this?

this dead horse must be in pieces by now.

You dont know what your talking about because campaigns sole purpose is not exp. let me spell it out for you... I D O W H A T I W A N T. If i want to take 5 of my friends into campaign and destroy every mob in 15 seconds, i can. Because SE designed it to be a free thing with no real goal or purpose. Yes you get exp, but there are at least 10 more efficient ways, so the fact that your this serious about campaign exp is a joke.





All quotes from this very thread supporting me. Some are just round about ways of saying dragging mobs far is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, but the point is there.

What dead horse... Its beef already

Beef is cows? >.>

Since when is.... beef...... horse meat.....?

I think it got obliterated back on page 4 somewhere...

Even still I'm debating on if a new thread just for idea gathering from everyone that wants to help figure this out, either via SE or via the community, should be made. I still have faith in the FFXI community that we alone could solve this somehow.

*edited to avoid double post*


Campaign is exp to those jobs that can't get exp. Yup sure we got Abyssea now so that may not matter to much now, and I haven't been in it often enough to know if all those jobs that got neglected before get to have a shining light now.

Also the point that pulling a mob from the fort has always been valid. Yup it sucks, it can be a pain in the rear to find them, but it is helpful and you can kill tags. If you want the loot for gil, might as well go farm something. Probably get more gil/hour on average from a simple item than what you'll get out of campaign.

None of those points really support you, as the whole reason you've been 'attacked' is cause you want to pull a *** move and ruining campaign for everyone else. It's at that point that the 'I do what I want' statements become stupid. Yeah it's a game, yeah you pay a monthly fee. For the most part you can do what you want but there is a little thing called respect which you seem to lack greatly.

Hence how the ninja lotting statement that you didn't get earlier was thrown at you. If your statment of "I can do what I want because I pay for this, and nothing I do is wrong" stands true, then I should be able to ninja lot Dyna, get as many drops as I can, and walk out and it would be totally justifable. As I pay for this game so I can do whatever it is I want and nothing I do is wrong at all. Thats pretty much what you are saying it seems.

I have no idea what's going on in this thread, but I support Luarania because of his avatar =3

Apparently they eat horse in Cuba. who'd have known.

Thats a conspiracy because almost no one reads this sites forums. Go to BG if youre that serious thouughh i am positive youre gonna get flamed badly

Im not cuban vinvv get yourfacts straight.


I confused it, i meant the meat was already grinded.

I don't go to BG or KI, all those people ever seemed to care about was e-peen and thinking they were FFXI's 4chan, which is sadly what I am seeing on this site more and more as the days go.

*Edit*lol just saw that. While I thank you for that, please don't support Sev and I unless you feel that what we are doing is something you agree with.

The point of this thread was to spread information around and get people more aware of how campaign works with the side goal of both sides reaching some sort of agreement and making campaign not only work, but better for everyone. It's just... it got turned into this mess and now it's pretty much worthless. If you have any questions pages 2-3 have good info and you can always PM someone from this thread about it. While I do support the soloing side I try not to be biased and sit in the middle. I was once in that mob of people that killed everyone too, and hated solor's for taking mobs far away at one time.

I definitely remember you saying that you were a Cuban Creamer.

Youd be surprised if you knew on BG they take ***more seriously than here. Theres just a lot of trolls, regardless its still a good site for information and moving crowds. But you are gonna get flamed for this because people dont care and will keep playing however they wAnt. Now if you chose to stay here all you are getting is arguments and dead ends. You have more chances at BG imo..



Vinvv im boricua. Not cuban im not from cuba

I'm pretty sure I remember you saying that you were Cuban.

Something to keep in mind I suppose, BG does seem to have that 'center of information' thing. Maybe I will after I conduct my testing and if it actually works.

I just don't see what's wrong with Campaign as is now (Yes, I've read all 7 pages, and all about the tools to maximize exp, soloing, etc.) I just don't think it's that big of a deal, especially when if exp was the main focus, players can do much better in Parties, or Abyssea, or even soloing. Hell, it's about to be common to gain 200,000 exp a day in abyssea.
The reason that people won't care too deeply about the ideas posted albeit being valid ideas, is that Campaign was designed to be a mind-numbingly killing spree fun, without having to worry about what job you are, who's there, or how fast or slow you kill things, or the sub job you are; giving a break to the cookie cutter setups needed for everything else in the game. So trying to place structure into something that wasn't designed to have much of it doesn't appeal to me or some people. When Walk of echoes first came out the first thing said as a warning was "Don't use Campaign style tactics/jobs" implying that it required structure, while Campaign did not. It's one of the reasons people love Besieged, and Campaign is merely a set of a dozen Besiege environments to reduce congestion, and allow people to simply bash enemies how they want, when they want, while being able to reap exp, and rewards if enjoyed enough.

I read your whole post.
and I approve.

No one is ever going to agree on this. Some people will gather information and learn a few things they maybe didn't know and it may or may not change their point of view. I "get" why people say "hey it's my money, I'll do what I want"...I feel that way about a few other things in the game as well.

To minimize the arguing, flaming and name calling, maybe this should be locked and 2 separate topics of "discussion" started. One topic, people can "discuss" the benefits of extending campaign time and how to accomplish that goal and the other people can "discuss" how they want to end the soloing and suggestions how to arrive at that goal.

It's more than likely a pipe dream anyway to assume that SE bothers reading this kinda stuff and implements the content. SUPPOSEDLY, SE has staff that reads the suggestions forum on ffxiclopedia...I don't really know for sure.

"IF" SE does read these things, who is to say they are going to listen to the loudest voice anyway, they will more than likey take the stance "it's our bat, our ball and our rules...don't like it? Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya on your way out"

I dont understand what everyone is QQing about.

Some ppl might enjoy CB, I dont. I'm just seeing it as a way to get a bit of exp while waiting on an invite. Especially now when I'm trying to get thf up to 80.

I'm there for the exp and nothing else.

Ofcourse I'm trying to grab a mob and keep it to myself to get max exp. But I'm sure as hell not gonna get pissed off and go all crazy over it on an internet forum if someone else starts beating on my mob.

Why?

Because it dont matter lol. Just because I QQ on the forum on how gimp/low lv/idiots and what not are beating on "my mob" in campaign battle, they sure as hell arent gonna listen and think the next time they see me solo a mob.

"Hey, thats the guy that made it clear on a forum that he wanna solo his mobs, lets leave him alone and find another one, ok?"

it comes down to the people who play this game are a bunch of selfish ***.. if they not screwing you over with exp in camps, or campaigns they gonna *** with the AH and undercut, if you waiting to get claim they will bot. In the end *** will be ***. Just got to move on..