Lazy Bard

It's all teamwork, can't always blame the brd if it doesn't go faster and let's hope for better camps that repops aren't slower than what DD's can kill.

he made his choice, decide if u want him to be in the pt or not bitching wont do anything about it... useless thread is useless

If a bard doesn't want to pull, get over it and let them stand as the second buffer, or replace the bard.

If I don't want to pull on bard I don't seek, if I get invited to a pt without my flag up I'll ask if they want me seeing as I'm not in the mood to pull today. If they do want me then that's good, if they don't then w/e I'll carry on doing what I'm doing.

I hate lazy CORs more than lazy BRDs, *** /mage or don't contribute to damage AT ALL.

BRD/WHM gets Haste at 80. I think that's make or break to some extent. Double Marches plus hasting your zerg pt makes it worth it imo.

what merit pt doesnt normally have a healer though most mage jobs /whm will have haste at 80 :(

I got 75 before ToAU and never pulled in a party before that. Not sure if bard did then but I never did- dinged 75 as /whm as buffer and back up healer, and that's the way I played 1-74 as well.

I've never seek for a merit pt as brd- only played with ls members or friends but I'll need to get exp 75-99 eventually somehow.. So imo if I was seeking and had it in my comment that I didn't want to pull- can't really expect me to. I know you think it's "my job" or w/e but I don't like it and I'm telling via comment that it's not gonna happen so get over it and get another player. I can play the game however I want and if you don't like I'm not playing your way, can find someone else.

That would be like me saying I won't backup heal was blm/whm. It's fine and dandy, but I don't get to *** when I don't get pty invites because of it.

Whenever I have a BRD in the PT I generally have either a COR or another BRD if I don't have either I don't make the BRD pull; I'll either pull as whatever job I'm on or a friend of mine will pull.

Which is another problem...people dont read seacoms

@Jurai: no one will make you do it, but there is a certain expectation. status quo is brd pulls now. if you want to go against that, more power to you, but there will be flak.

I knooooooow I hate that; wtf is the point of even posting them if people don't read em...

A few times I've been in a party as COR/NIN and theres already a BRD/NIN and I'm asked to pull :( Songs cost less than cards, bullets and shihei.

If a BRD is subbing NIN they should pull-- period. sub WHM if you don't want to pull and actually help cure/erase/oranythingelse

Don't ever go /nin unless your pulling :( /war or /mage onry!

My beef is bards who have either the:
"I have a sha'ir manteel, so I can't do anything wrong."
or the
"Bards don't need gear."

>.>
Then when you pulls links, and can't sleep who's at fault?
The SAM's?

-.-

I also hate when I'm not pulling on bard, but I also hate playing bard.

So, that's fun.

PS: OP, who's the bard you're talking about?

I find BRD to be the dullest of dull when not pulling. /whm is no fun :(

ghlin i dont know if you full of yourself or what but i would never play with you.

i have 75 brd and i hate brd so much . i only get invites as brd and im never even on the job. brd ends up doing almost all the work and once you take a break for a sec people like i havent gotten a song in 5 secs whats going on .

it will be my last job to 80 :)

You guys kidding right? I might not have the best BRD armor, but I have pulled way more than 30k per hour (though when i turned off the laptop, I was seeing puks flying in my house...). I am always looking for party as /nin (k, sometimes /blm because I had to go to windy to get armor), have specifically written in my seacom "Fisherman: O", and can't get an invite... When there are only 2 other bards looking for party "JP ONRY" :( K, maybe I was just unlucky yesterday, but it's a pain when you are a decent bard and can't find party :(

I guess I will have to wait till the update fever calms down a bit and camps are not overcrowded. Though I must say I kinda missed the camp fight from good old days xD Ahhh the 3 parties in the Oasis in Valkurm Dunes, or the 5 parties in the Pond in Caedevera Mire... Concurrency! That teaches anyone how to pull!

wtf is this I don't even...

Rebeca Linares

Personally, i detest pulling. it is not the bard's role in a group. (i still have the old mindset for my love job ; ;) go get something with evasion to pull and i'll sleep it. Players have made BRD puller, just as they've ostracized BLM from groups for the most part, and any other class that isn't a TP zerg class. And i prefer to play the class the way it was intended, as a buffer and back up healer.

Granted, this is due to the fact that i detest the /NIN sub craze.

now, this said, there ARE certain camps i will pull because it needs to be quick exp and there have to be 2 mobs slept near the group. (ie: Colibri and other camps of the same notion) it's just more effecient in those areas for me to pull, and yes i enjoy it because it's fun, but i'd rather not be puller in -every- group.


you say lazy, i say old-fashioned. (just like you say potato, and i say vodka~)
as someone said earlier, we can all play the way we want, i choose to ignore the player made puller-bard, and i have to deal with the extended LFG time, which is okay. Crafting is relaxing while LFG.

As a career BRD i have to say, it is utterly boaring in a PT unless you pull. Heck, evenn in a 2 bard party i would reccomend the other BRD come /NIN and pull aswell. Less running for both bards and monster is always in camp.

If people played jobs how they were "suppose" to we wouldn't have NIN tanks. We'd have Shuriken NINs.

I've always detested being the puller brd, because I hate the overall hectic and frustrating break neck speed you have to be moving around and pulling. It's even more annoying when you're at a camp where you're in competition for mobs from another camp (Greater Colibri in particular, with competition on the second and third levels) and your party blames you for losing the chain because the party below you swiped a mob just as you were in the middle of claiming it.

I hate the position that players have put us in because it reminds me so much of how summoners were put in a position of main healing parties just because of their subjob. It strikes me as odd that Square Enix will change things around so that some jobs can't do what players have been using them for (here's looking at you Rdm and /drk tanks), but they won't do it for others.

Rin dear, that wont work as an example for me, because i've -always- been one to say NINs aren't tanks (even though i'll play NIN tank because it gets me exp.) and i use Shuriken to keep hate over my ninjutsu. (i use it enough to cap it, then switch to my shuriken for hate. :D)

@Vlor - i agree with the hectic(ness?) of BRD puller, but sometimes it's the better of two evils to be the puller, if a THF or RNG were to pull in a Colibri camp, the exp would be horrible. areas like this are where bards should pull, because we can pull, sleep, pull, sleep, buff the party while they fight the first mob.
it's hellacious, but it's better than dealing with 8k/hr parties because the RNG has to MP sponge from being smacked about.
but for the most part, give me /WHM duty. i find it more enjoyable.

hey that BRD was lfg yesterday
but we took the COR that was willing to pull instead XD

The cost to be a real Shuriken NIN at 75+ is way to much work and costs way to much money and effort just to collect the best Shurikens for the job. Throwing some low level Shurikens are 75 just as wasteful.

I'll agree with you on that aspect. Shuriken are a pain in the *** to collect. R/EX shuriken that's omgwtf amazing takes blood, sweat, tears, your left nipple, and your first born child to obtain. pray you dont accidentally toss it *_*
My nin's still pre-60, so it's not hard for me to be a shuriken nin. i'll miss it when i get it higher and can't go throw happy.

@OP - You try to make it into a big deal that the bard doesn't want to exp without his friend. I fail to see the issue.
I personally sometimes put Friend: charactername here if i'm seeking to exp with them, and can't find people to exp with. It's a simple matter of: if your group doesn't have the room for the bard and his/her friend, you dont get the bard. there are plenty of us minstrels out there, just get joeshmoe #2 off the list.