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St. Louis, Missouri Vs. The Police: Heaven or Hell, Duel 1! Let's rock!
Bahamut.Kara
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-08-21 14:34:25
Congratulations, you are just as delusional as Pleebo.
Pleebo we are the same!!
Can you see the invisible pink unicorn too?!
Because then we can be BFf's forever
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 14:44:18
Since you two are so chummy, why don't you get together and wage your war against the police for killing random people for sport.
Keep us updated, but don't call me to bail you out of jail.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-08-21 14:50:57
Because then we can be BFf's forever
I see A pink unicorn but I'm not sure it's the one you're talking about...
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-08-21 14:52:13
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 14:53:08
That's ok, I don't want to be lumped in with you anyway.
I wouldn't want to embarrass myself with you two whackos.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-08-21 14:55:25
Things K doesn't like:
Non-whites
Gays
Other people having friends
Starting to get a pretty good picture of you now.
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Bismarck.Ramyrez
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-21 14:56:40
That's ok, I don't want to be lumped in with you anyway.
I wouldn't want to embarrass myself with you two whackos.
But you seem okay embarassing yourself with us other whackos!
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-08-21 14:56:45
As for your second example, did you not see that the gun discharged, not the guy was shot? If you are going to make an example of every mistake everyone has ever made, as last I saw, SWAT was run by humans who make mistakes, then why not make an example out of you?
Wait, so now if it's an mistake/accident, it's kosher? Who had the gun drawn? Who was pointing the gun at said person, who was not a threat? Who is supposed to be trained in simple things like gun safety, and proper use of the safety on a weapon?
And who the hell keeps harping on about personal responsibility?
If you are going to make an example of every mistake everyone has ever made, as last I saw, SWAT was run by humans who make mistakes, then why not make an example out of you? Why don't you broadcast all the mistakes you ever made in your life, or are you going to say you never made a mistake ever? Gee, I don't know, maybe because she doesn't go around pointing guns at people?
Using closed-nit instead of close-knit, for example, isn't the same kind of mistake as shooting an unarmed, non-resisting, non-threatening person on the floor.
Not all mistakes are equal.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-08-21 14:57:56
Unspoiled, because everyone can appreciate someone with balls that big.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-08-21 14:57:58
I wouldn't want to embarrass myself with you two whackos.
you don't need their help to embarrass yourself, trust me.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 14:58:41
Things K doesn't like:
Non-whites
Gays
Other people having friends
Starting to get a pretty good picture of you now.
Try again?
Bismarck.Ramyrez
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-21 14:58:58
Things K doesn't like:
Non-whites
Gays
Other people having friends
Starting to get a pretty good picture of you now.
Try again?
Deja vu.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-08-21 15:02:51
I should buy a gun soon, especially since the end of the year weed will probably become legal in New Orleans so crime can go down lol.. I'll probably be selling weed and strapped so hmu!
if that's the plan, don't tell a bunch of people, that's how you get caught.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-08-21 15:03:39
she doesn't go around pointing guns at people.
Oh I see, she is one of those people.... >.>
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stinky hippie alert! her and pleebo are going to go make potpourri together!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 15:04:04
Wait, so now if it's an mistake/accident, it's kosher? Who had the gun drawn? Who was pointing the gun at said person, who was not a threat? Who is supposed to be trained in simple things like gun safety, and proper use of the safety on a weapon?
And who the hell keeps harping on about personal responsibility? Do you think that mistakes is the same thing as intentional? Because that is the whole argument, isn't it?
I mean, if cops are going around shooting people randomly, as Kara is claiming that they are, then why bother using this obvious example of a mistake discharge?
Besides, I never said that the officer in question should get away with it, I'm sure that it was handled properly.
Gee, I don't know, maybe because she doesn't go around pointing guns at people?
Using closed-nit instead of close-knit, for example, isn't the same kind of mistake as shooting an unarmed, non-resisting, non-threatening person on the floor.
Not all mistakes are equal. If you are going to harp at a mistake made by a person on the job, why not harp on all mistakes made by all people on the job? Or is that bad because it weakens a person's argument?
Besides, you fail to grasp at the point I was making, which is that Kara is demanding perfection from an imperfect being, which she is an imperfect being also.
By fonewear 2014-08-21 15:05:17
Black people are really getting outraged by the police which is instilling the same grudge that lives within most Arabs and Jews that is ofc being perpetuated to the worst degree by the media so they get more viewers.
I should buy a gun soon, especially since the end of the year weed will probably become legal in New Orleans so crime can go down lol.. I'll probably be selling weed and strapped so hmu!
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Bismarck.Ihina
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2014-08-21 15:09:21
Things K doesn't like:
Non-whites
Gays
Other people having friends
Starting to get a pretty good picture of you now.
Try again?
You've shared your views with this forum for way more than long enough to disqualify yourself from using the 'jumping to conclusions' card.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-08-21 15:10:39
Not killing the person laying down on the floor is not demanding perfection.
It is demanding basic compatence with a gun from a professional.
People who make mistakes on the job and have people die are held responsible. The medical profession immediately comes to mind
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By Fenrir.Squintik 2014-08-21 15:10:59
If you are going to harp at a mistake made by a person on the job, why not harp on all mistakes made by all people on the job? Or is that bad because it weakens a person's argument?
I'm mostly certain that if I misfile a personnel document in my office, no-one is going to die.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-08-21 15:11:05
I think when your mistake ends a persons life...
It's not like oh I dropped the white out and ruined the office carpet... Oops I pointed my gun at the guy and now he's dead.
You also ignore the other two articles posted. One where the cops fired a hundred rounds into a car with two unarmed women and the other where a cop shot an unarmed guy 10 times (missed twice) who was looking for some help after he had had gotten into a car accident.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 15:13:03
Not killing the person laying down on the floor is not demanding perfection. Not realizing a discharge and mistakenly concluded that it was intentional is your issue.
Tell us once and for all:
Was that death intentional?
If it was not intentional, why do you use it as an example of intentional killing?
People who make mistakes on the job and where people died are held responsible. Who said that they weren't?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 15:13:45
You also ignore the other two articles posted. One where the cops fired a hundred rounds into a car with two unarmed women and the other where a cop shot an unarmed guy 10 times (missed twice) who was looking for some help after he had had gotten into a car accident. What other two articles posted?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-21 15:14:06
I think when your mistake ends a persons life...
Even that gets tricky, honestly. Look at medicine/malpractice. So many malpractice lawsuits, but how many are truly doctor error and how many are "M'am, your husband smoked 1.5 packs a day for 40 years. We couldn't save him from complete respiratory failure."
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 15:16:13
I think when your mistake ends a persons life...
Even that gets tricky, honestly. Look at medicine/malpractice. So many malpractice lawsuits, but how many are truly doctor error and how many are "M'am, your husband smoked 1.5 packs a day for 40 years. We couldn't save him from complete respiratory failure." That's perfectly ok to some people, because the guy didn't die from a gunshot wound.
Edit: added sarcasm tags because sarcasm is hard for Flavin.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-21 15:17:15
I think when your mistake ends a persons life...
Even that gets tricky, honestly. Look at medicine/malpractice. So many malpractice lawsuits, but how many are truly doctor error and how many are "M'am, your husband smoked 1.5 packs a day for 40 years. We couldn't save him from complete respiratory failure." That's perfectly ok to people, because the guy didn't die from a gunshot wound.
Clearly it's not perfectly okay, or the cost of malpractice insurance wouldn't be spiralling. @.@
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-08-21 15:17:56
You also ignore the other two articles posted. One where the cops fired a hundred rounds into a car with two unarmed women and the other where a cop shot an unarmed guy 10 times (missed twice) who was looking for some help after he had had gotten into a car accident. What other two articles posted? I posted one on the previous page and milamber linked you to two in his...
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-08-21 15:26:01
I think when your mistake ends a persons life...
Even that gets tricky, honestly. Look at medicine/malpractice. So many malpractice lawsuits, but how many are truly doctor error and how many are "M'am, your husband smoked 1.5 packs a day for 40 years. We couldn't save him from complete respiratory failure." That's perfectly ok to people, because the guy didn't die from a gunshot wound. It's not. Lol what a joke... Why do you think doctors get sued all the time for their errors and even go to jail in some cases of negligence.
You think a family member/friend/loved one dies under the knife and no questions are asked answers demanded? Think again.
The only difference between the two is that when they *** up and someone else pays the physical price for it the money is paid by the insurance carrier instead of the tax payers.
@ Ramyrez there is a significant difference between not being able to save someone and being negligent. If a guy goes in for a normal procedure and ends up dead... When they close people up and leave surgical tools inside people.
We tend to give both a degree of leeway because both are professions that are supposed to be looking out for us and for the most part they are a beneficial part of society but that doesn't mean we should give them a pass when they do stuff like this. They far more likely than a normal person in getting passes though. If you accidentally shot someone you think they'd just let you go?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 15:26:26
You also ignore the other two articles posted. One where the cops fired a hundred rounds into a car with two unarmed women and the other where a cop shot an unarmed guy 10 times (missed twice) who was looking for some help after he had had gotten into a car accident. What other two articles posted? I posted one on the previous page and milamber linked you to two in his... I'll concede that you found 3 reasonable cases. But are you still going to state that police is going around shooting random people for the sport of it?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 15:28:38
I think when your mistake ends a persons life...
Even that gets tricky, honestly. Look at medicine/malpractice. So many malpractice lawsuits, but how many are truly doctor error and how many are "M'am, your husband smoked 1.5 packs a day for 40 years. We couldn't save him from complete respiratory failure." That's perfectly ok to some people, because the guy didn't die from a gunshot wound. It's not. Lol what a joke... Why do you think doctors get sued all the time for their errors and even go to jail in some cases of negligence.
You think a family member/friend/loved one dies under the knife and no questions are asked answers demanded? Think again.
The only difference between the two is that when they *** up and someone else pays the physical price for it the money is paid by the insurance carrier instead of the tax payers. Sorry, I forgot sarcasm tags again.
Here, I'll help you out.
To recap the events going on:
It all started with this:
Quote: The fatal shooting of an unarmed black St. Louis teen Saturday has caused an outcry of anger toward the city’s police, with locals rallying in the streets and widening uproar on social media.
Eighteen-year-old Michael Brown was being placed in a police squad car, eyewitness Piaget Crenshaw told the St. Louis Dispatch, when he put his hands in the air and attempted to flee. Several shots hit him as he ran away.
St. Louis County police chief Jon Belmar said Sunday that Brown struggled for the officer’s gun in the patrol car and that one shot was fired from the officer’s gun during the tussle. The officer fired multiple shots at Brown as he fled, Belmar said.
Anger flared the rest of the day after Brown’s death, as protesters screamed obscenities mixed with threats to “kill the police,” and more than 60 area police officers responded to the scene. More shots were reported, though no one was injured. Public Outcry After Police Shooting of Black St. Louis Teenager
Then this happened:
Quote: An uneasy calm settled over Ferguson, Missouri, early Tuesday after a second night of violent clashes between law enforcement and residents protesting the police shooting of an unarmed black teenager, with another demonstration planned for mid-morning.
So far, more than 50 people have been arrested in protests following the death of Michael Brown, 18, in a largely black St. Louis suburb on Saturday after what police officials said was a struggle with a gun in a squad car.
The FBI has opened a civil rights investigation into the racially charged case, and St. Louis County is also investigating the shooting.
Police have not said why Brown was in the police car. At least one shot was fired during the struggle, and then the officer fired more shots before leaving the car, police said.
Chanting "hands up, don’t shoot," protesters overnight challenged police trying to seal off the neighborhood where Brown was shot, a low-income, high-crime area east of downtown Ferguson. Some protesters said they were outraged that Brown appeared to have been shot while holding his hands up in surrender, calling the shooting the latest in a long history of police harassment of area minorities.
"They brought this on themselves," said 25-year-old Adam Burcher of Ferguson, who stood outside the Ferguson Police Department on Monday night with a sign reading "Stop Killing."
Later on Tuesday, a protest is expected outside the St. Louis County prosecutor's office in Clayton, Missouri, and officials are also expected to identify the police officer involved in the shooting. Another protest set in Missouri after riots over teen's killing
Followed by this:
Quote: Violence again erupted in the St. Louis area near the site of the police shooting death of an unarmed black teenager, according to local police, despite calls by U.S. President Barack Obama and activists for a measured response.
Early on Wednesday, a police officer shot and critically wounded a man who drew a handgun near the site of protests over the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown, a St. Louis County Police Department officer said.
Police responded about an hour after midnight to reports of four or five men with shotguns and wearing ski masks. They encountered multiple suspects running, one of whom pulled a gun on an officer, who fired at him, the county officer said. The man was taken to an area hospital.
Shortly after midnight, police fired tear gas into protesters who had confronted a line of officers after a far larger crowd dispersed, St. Louis County Police Department spokesman Brian Schellman said.
A photograph in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch showed a protester wearing a shirt with an American flag printed on it throwing a tear gas container back at the police. There were other media reports of bottles thrown at police.
The incidents followed two nights of violent protests, looting and arrests in Ferguson, the largely black St. Louis suburb where the shooting of Brown took place. Violence erupts again after killing of black Missouri teen
And now to bring you up to date:
Quote:
The Ferguson and St. Louis County police departments, which led the initial response to civil unrest in Ferguson, are both equipped with military equipment donated by the Defense Dept. Ferguson has received two vehicles, a trailer and a generator and St. Louis County has received nine utility trucks and two cargo trailers since 2012.
The equipment was received under the 1033 program which was enacted by Congress in 1992, and expanded in 1997. The program allows police forces to request and receive refurbished military equipment free of charge from the Pentagon. Police departments need only pay for shipping. Ferguson and St. Louis County police received military equipment from Pentagon
Quote: President Barack Obama on Thursday said that police should respect protesters after four nights of racially charged demonstrations in Ferguson, Missouri, over the recent police killing of an unarmed black teenager.
"There is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting," Obama said a televised remarks.
"There's also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protesters or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their first amendment rights," he said, speaking to the press from Edgartown, Massachusetts near where he is vacationing with his family.
After the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown in the St. Louis suburb on Saturday, dozens of protesters have been arrested and the police have used riot gear, tear gas and rubber bullets to break up protests.
There have been peaceful vigils and demonstrations as well as episodes of looting and violence.
Governor Jay Nixon on Thursday also told community members at a church in the St. Louis area that "over the next few hours we are going to be making some shifts so that people will be ... safe." He did not specify what his steps would be made. Obama calls for police to respect protesters in Ferguson, Missouri
Don't forget this one too:
Quote: Two reporters covering the shooting of an unarmed black teen by a white police officer in a St. Louis suburb say they were arrested at a McDonald’s Wednesday evening in the commercial corridor where angry protests have occurred.
Wesley Lowery of The Washington Post and Ryan Reilly of The Huffington Post say they were working in the fast-food restaurant when SWAT officers came in to quickly clear the area. Both quickly tweeted about their arrests, detention and subsequent release without any charges.
Reilly tells KMOX News that officers were trying to clear out the restaurant.
“I was just packing up, and I evidently did not move quickly enough,” he says.
Reilly says an officer banged his head on the restaurant door and sarcastically apologized for it.
“None of them were wearing name badges, I don’t know why,” he says. “Over a dozen times I asked for an identity, I asked for a badge number, and all the officers standing around heard my request and ignored it.”
Reilly said he believes they were released so quickly because they were journalists. He realized during his interview with KMOX News that he was not read his Miranda Rights.
“I wasn’t even Mirandaized,” he says. “I did not even think about that until you just mentioned. I was never given…nothing…wow. I should really know that as a justice reporter. I sort of knew it by heart, but I was never given my rights, or anything like that was mentioned.”
Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson did not immediately return a cellphone message from The Associated Press seeking comment. 2 Reporters Arrested At Ferguson McDonald’s
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