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Mass rise in children crossing into the US
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-15 14:39:57
Yeah, screw logistics. Ideals (and especially the immigrant votes) are more important.
Every time I discuss any sort of population control people get touchy.
Don't balk at logistics now. What the hell do we need population control for? We should be encouraging Americans to make more babies.
If we don't have room for potentially-adoptable immigrant children or, if not adopatable, their ready-to-work parents, then we don't have room for more American babies hogging up resources.
I swear to ***, Nausi. Your language in this thread is like you're just waiting to have Godwin invoked. "Ethnic replacement"? Seriously.
C'mon. You're better than that.
By Jetackuu 2014-07-15 14:40:14
Yeah, screw logistics. Ideals (and especially the immigrant votes) are more important.
Every time I discuss any sort of population control people get touchy.
Don't balk at logistics now. What the hell do we need population control for? We should be encouraging Americans to make more babies. lolwhat?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-07-15 14:40:16
Sen. Sessions wrote to all fellow congressmen today:
"The action the President is reportedly contemplating would be a nullification of the Immigration and National Act by the Executive Branch of government. Indeed, it would be an executive nullification of our borders as an enforceable national boundary. By declaring whole classes of illegal immigrants beyond the reach of the law, it would remove the moral authority needed to enforce any immigration law, creating the very open-borders policy explicitly rejected by Congress and the people. And it would guarantee that the current illegal immigration disaster would only further worsen and destabilize."
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-07-15 14:41:21
No one takes the conservative progressive fear mongering seriously ftfy.
Because who is really pitching a fit? Texas had these immigrants in our Air Force Base for a while now. When they were shipped to California (a progressive dreamland) that is when people started bitching about it.
That's what's happening bro, We're being overrun. The Obama signal is in the sky and the rush is on for "ethnic replacement". We've had it good enough, long enough. It's time Americans felt what it was like to live like the rest of the world.
Conservative fear mongering, as I said.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-07-15 14:42:17
Yeah, screw logistics. Ideals (and especially the immigrant votes) are more important.
Every time I discuss any sort of population control people get touchy.
Don't balk at logistics now. What the hell do we need population control for? We should be encouraging Americans to make more babies.
If we don't have room for potentially-adoptable immigrant children or, if not adopatable, their ready-to-work parents, then we don't have room for more American babies hogging up resources.
I swear to ***, Nausi. Your language in this thread is like you're just waiting to havin Godwin invoked. "Ethnic replacement"? Seriously.
C'mon. You're better than that.
Uh, no he isn't.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-07-15 14:43:09
The obvious thing to do here is to completely open our borders, absolutely abolish any and all citizenship requirements, and then entirely fund the costs of living for the entire planet Earth while sitting around a great big campfire singing songs and playing the bongos with everyone loving everyone else because that’s the humanitarian thing to do… and then once our welfare state comes crashing down because there simply aren’t enough productive citizens to fund it, we can all sit back and relax and be equally destitute together because you’re a racist. Who's actually advocating for that?
Oh right, nobody.
That's what's happening bro, We're being overrun. The Obama signal is in the sky and the rush is on for "ethnic replacement". We've had it good enough, long enough. It's time Americans felt what it was like to live like the rest of the world.
Seriously? By the way, the native americans probably have a few choice words for you. And no, they aren't "Thanks Obama".
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-07-15 14:43:30
300k Central Americans headed our way
that's about 2x the size of the invading force in WW2's invasion of normandy.
By Jetackuu 2014-07-15 14:44:26
"Wow"
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-07-15 14:44:40
Sen. Sessions wrote to all fellow congressmen today:
"The action the President is reportedly contemplating would be a nullification of the Immigration and National Act by the Executive Branch of government. Indeed, it would be an executive nullification of our borders as an enforceable national boundary. By declaring whole classes of illegal immigrants beyond the reach of the law, it would remove the moral authority needed to enforce any immigration law, creating the very open-borders policy explicitly rejected by Congress and the people. And it would guarantee that the current illegal immigration disaster would only further worsen and destabilize."
Oh look, more conservative fear mongering! He is on a rampage!
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-07-15 14:49:12
So, if I have this straight, the liberal ideal is to remove the U.S. from the position of international police force and instead put it into the position of international welfare force?
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By Jetackuu 2014-07-15 14:49:40
So, if I have this straight, the liberal ideal is to remove the U.S. from the position of international police force and instead put it into the position of international welfare force? That's what they're saying at least, interesting thought.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-07-15 14:50:22
Where did you read that?
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-07-15 14:51:19
Sen. Sessions wrote to all fellow congressmen today:
"The action the President is reportedly contemplating would be a nullification of the Immigration and National Act by the Executive Branch of government. Indeed, it would be an executive nullification of our borders as an enforceable national boundary. By declaring whole classes of illegal immigrants beyond the reach of the law, it would remove the moral authority needed to enforce any immigration law, creating the very open-borders policy explicitly rejected by Congress and the people. And it would guarantee that the current illegal immigration disaster would only further worsen and destabilize." Wait, what? Contemplating? Didn't the governor say these individuals had already been relocated?
And the rest of the message is equal parts bullcrap and fearmongering.
The president can always simply issue pardons or clemency, and sidestep the issue entirely.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-07-15 14:52:10
Seemed kind of obvious from the current immigration stance.
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By Jetackuu 2014-07-15 14:52:50
I think he derived it from this:
The obvious thing to do here is to completely open our borders, absolutely abolish any and all citizenship requirements, and then entirely fund the costs of living for the entire planet Earth while sitting around a great big campfire singing songs and playing the bongos with everyone loving everyone else because that’s the humanitarian thing to do… and then once our welfare state comes crashing down because there simply aren’t enough productive citizens to fund it, we can all sit back and relax and be equally destitute together because you’re a racist.
but I may be wrong.
edit: looks like it;
Seemed kind of obvious from the current immigration stance.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-15 14:54:25
Nausi shall now, and forever more, be known as "Nausi Little" for crying the "Liberals are coming, the liberals are coming!" in tandem to believing that anything a liberal does, is tantamount to the sky falling.
Or the Nausi who cried Liberal.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-07-15 14:54:50
Right, cause a substantial portion of them aren't carrying dangerous infections diseases or anything.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-07-15 14:56:37
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Nausi shall now, and forever more, be known as "Nausi Little" for crying the "Liberals are coming, the liberals are coming!" in tandem to believing that anything a liberal does, is tantamount to the sky falling.
Or the Nausi who cried Liberal.
You'd just better pray that they don't KEEP going north Bloodrose.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-15 14:56:45
Right, cause a substantial portion of them aren't carrying dangerous infections diseases or anything. Plenty of every day "NIMBY" Americans are carrying many of those same diseases and genetic mutations themselves, partly from HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE actions that cause infections and diseases in the first place, and are often "dirtier" than the illegals coming in.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-07-15 14:56:59
I'd really love to see how the left would approach immigration if the majority of immigrants voted Republican.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-15 14:58:58
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Nausi shall now, and forever more, be known as "Nausi Little" for crying the "Liberals are coming, the liberals are coming!" in tandem to believing that anything a liberal does, is tantamount to the sky falling.
Or the Nausi who cried Liberal.
You'd just better pray that they don't KEEP going north Bloodrose. *** it, Canada only has 30-35mil people, with an incredibly open landmass that has yet to be overly developed. There are roughly only 12 metropolis-like cities in size, in all of Canada, that even incorporate other cities in their jurisdictions.
If anything, Canada does welcome new immigrants, because it does, and always has, added to our economic prosperity.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-07-15 14:59:39
I'd really like to see this crisis resolved but it doesn't look like the GOP Congress is interested at all.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-07-15 15:00:21
Right, cause a substantial portion of them aren't carrying dangerous infections diseases or anything. Such as...?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-07-15 15:00:45
I was about to say Canada wants more people to come but Bloodrose beat me to it.
By Jetackuu 2014-07-15 15:01:50
I'd really love to see how the left would approach immigration if the majority of immigrants voted Republican. Honestly I am not a fan of the very anti-gay/pro Catholicism stance of the immigrants from Mexico, take that for what you will.
edit: I wouldn't really consider myself "the left" either, but hey.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-15 15:02:03
Right, cause a substantial portion of them aren't carrying dangerous infections diseases or anything.
Half the poor people in the country probably have MRSA or similar staph infections due to untreated wounds.
Not to mention all the other infections among the natural population.
Chances are we're already vaccinated against most of the things those kids might be carrying. You know, unless you're one of those anti-vaccination ***.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-07-15 15:02:03
Right, cause a substantial portion of them aren't carrying dangerous infections diseases or anything. Such as...?
There have been reports of tuberculosis outbreaks in the relief centers.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-07-15 15:03:15
If Canada wants them and the U.S. doesn't, why aren't more immigrants heading to Canada then?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-07-15 15:05:24
If Canada wants them and the U.S. doesn't, why aren't more immigrants heading to Canada then?
Canada doesn't have the greatest climate, and a lot of that undeveloped land is practically on a glacier. Tropics to tundra is harder than it looks.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-15 15:05:26
Because, it's cheaper, easier, and closer, as well as immediately funded relief and sheltering, for the immigrants.
Also, Canada takes in more legal immigrants, and also more illegals, than the US does, per capita, and has a looser, more corrupted, lax, and ineffective immigration policy than the US.
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Quote: Immigrant Children Crossing into the US
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — As many as 1,200 children who were detained while trying to enter the U.S. illegally will be taken to Fort Sill this week as federal officials try to find their families or place them with a sponsor, federal and military officials said Monday.
The unaccompanied minors, most of them teenagers from Central America, will start arriving at Fort Sill from Arizona starting Friday, according to Fort Sill and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The children and teens are among the more than 47,000 unaccompanied minors taken into custody at the border since October.
Federal authorities plan to use a holding facility in Nogales, Arizona, as a way station where the children will be vaccinated and checked medically before being sent to Fort Sill and other housing facilities in Texas and California.
Fort Sill said it will temporarily hold between 600 and 1,200 minors in vacant housing at the Army post for up to four months, or as long as directed. DHHS’s Administration for Children and Families will be responsible for their care.
“Fort Sill will provide a vacant facility historically used by soldiers set apart from main post that offers sleeping quarters, bathing and toilet facilities, as well as multi-purpose gathering space,” Keith Pannell and Nancy Elliott, spokespeople for Fort Sill, said in a statement released Monday.
Oklahoma’s congressional delegation criticized the plan, saying military bases shouldn’t be used for such purposes.
“Using Fort Sill and other military bases to house illegal immigrants is simply an inappropriate use of military facilities,” said Republican Rep. Tom Cole, whose district includes the Army post about 85 miles southwest of Oklahoma City. “Moreover, I am concerned that what begins as an emergency measure could, over time, evolve into a permanent juvenile detention center for those who have entered the country illegally.”
The move is part of the Unaccompanied Alien Children program, which provides foster care, group homes and residential treatment centers for minors who try to cross the border without their parents or guardians. It also provides classroom education, health care, vocational training and legal services, according to DHHS’s website.
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security last month started flying immigrants in the U.S. illegally to Arizona from the Rio Grande Valley in Texas after the number of immigrants — including more than 48,000 children traveling on their own — overwhelmed the Border Patrol there.
Immigrant families were flown from Texas and released in Arizona, then told to report to a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement office near where they were traveling within 15 days. ICE has said the immigrants were mostly families from Central America fleeing extreme poverty and violence.
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