Bill Nye Debates Creationist Ken Ham Live 2/4/2014

ok but that doesn't mean that its ok lolz. Or you saying racism was ok? When your belief is contrary to true facts, it is a problem do u not see that?

doesn't it though? lol

A personal choice that manifests itself as a problem across societies. Or have you been asleep regarding gay marriage and women, pushing religious crap into our laws and the moralizing hypocrites who cannot stand to do anything less than shoehorn their Jesus everywhere. Your ability to make that reasonably snarky post is a result of people beating back the oppressive aura that religion carries with it.

Or perhaps you haven't seen what happens in countries where religion runs rampant. I'm fine if you want to believe in whatever it is you choose to call your belief system but that doesn't put you above criticism and if they'd kindly keep it out of my gummint I'd be overjoyed.

I'm just trying to find god myself but I'm having a hard time doing so. Just thought maybe he can help.

Have you tried the phone book?

I'm not upset at all, I have enjoyed all the serious posts, or your posts lol, its not about whether they agree with me its more about oh idk were they rude for no reason lol

Doesn't it though what? I don't follow you here.

I made the assertion that putting your faith in unreliable information is silly, which is what you admit to be doing. Or are you making the claim that a belief in god is silly?

Well I have to go, but message me anytime if you are serious, I'm always game for a discussion for open for searching to find God. I think it's what we're here for, so my door is always open :).

Not silly you said folly, and I was saying any "observed" information is unreliable information.

Wait, didn't you already say that you found god? Even you deny those exact words, you still claim to be a following of Jesus. That would suggest that you already found a god you could believe in and that your search is over.

Have you ever made a friend? Did you know everything about them right away? My best friend and I have been friends for 7 years and I'm still trying to figure out his crazy ***... Same thing.

But you made the claim that what we do with black holes, you also do with god in order to find/learn about him; I'll go back and look for the post if you insist. Something about making a comparison between science and religion. So essentially, your search for god has been through a venue of unreliable information.

It doesn't matter how much science THINKS it knows about existence (scientific theories aren't really completely infallible anyways). All the empirical data humans could ever know is not capable of proving "god" doesn't exist.

Much like people who believe in god can never really prove he does by pointing to their faith.

You might have a different view of it, but you're still inside the maze.

So you're just arguing semantics, much like your point that folly =/= silly. You've already found a god, but you wish to learn more about him. That doesn't really change the argument though. The information you used to find god is still unreliable, unless there's some other way you haven't mentioned?

1 thing I like about Christians is all their stupid holidays, I swear I'm just about the only guy working today.

Explaining that process would take a long time, but I would be happy to do that, I will write out an explanation at a later date.

You're wrong here, bub.

I look forward to read about how you can obtain information that bypasses perception.

I heard a woman claim that god is real because she asked god to make it stop raining and three minutes later, it stopped raining. I hope it's a bit more convincing than that.

I just meant around my office, should've been more clear.

quit! I don't think anyone will notice.

It's only 1PM and I'm already in Friday afternoon-mode.

But the thing is, as much as it's a "belief" in science, it's a belief in what we as humans can perceive as "facts". There are simply some constants that are just that. Constants. Observable constants.

I'm not looking to disprove any deity. I am, in fact, wanting proof of one. But it cannot be provided. Spin that however you like, but even if you say science's discoveries are not "fact", they're still concrete. You can see the results of science.

Still waiting on the verification on the god thing.

I like how people keep throwing God around like even if we find a God at the center of the universe it'll be YOUR God - the narrowly defined Judeo-Christian God of the Bible. So in addition to saying you know God exists you also attach the second assertion that it is this one specific God and that all other gods are false. And atheists are arrogant? lolok.

There are three steps here:
-God exists.
-God exists and it's my God.
-All other Gods are false.

Any sufficiently advanced alien lifeforms in the universe could easily be gods from our perspective just like the people of the Americas thought some white guys in iron helmets packing flintlocks were gods... until they proceeded to bring ruination upon their civilization.

The theist continuously pushes the idea of God yet has locked themselves into the idea that the creator must be yours. Newsflash, it doesn't. Your guess is as good as Odin, Mithras, Quetzalcotl, Izanami, Shiva, Osiris etc etc. Perhaps God is something that we haven't even found yet but you can't make that choice because you've locked in your answer with faith.

The only reason you choose to believe what you do is because of your family, time period of birth, anglo domination and events that have occurred over centuries before you took your first dump in a diaper. You have faith that Jesus is behind this and little else if you're honest.

Honestly, I see Jesus as a lesson about oppressive regimes and what happens when you speak out against what the masses choose to believe. He doesn't need to be God incarnate, have performed any miracles or made promises to return in order to pull a moral from the story.

I'd love to live in this world where we you guys seem to think we don't actually know anything. Though I imagine it'd be pretty boring and would involve lots of tree-climbing and poo-flinging.

And to answer that question earlier, I don't give two *** about what anyone believes. It is, however, a problem when beliefs try to get shoehorned into science and passed off as legitimate theories.

This is one thing I will stress repeatedly.

Jesus may have not had a single bit of divine nature about him. But his lessons -- or, at least, those attributed to him -- are still very valid. Not being shitty to one another is an astoundingly good idea.

Still waiting on some of the so-called "Christians" to come through on them, though.

Please note I said "some". I know several very good Christians who are very good people and who also don't try to convert every single person on the planet or push it on others. They're just good people. And that's really what matters within our current existance anyhow.

If you don't understand that the burden of proof is on religion then you're simply not very intelligent.

Other than the 'give away all your possessions, leave your family and follow me' thing. Even if he descended from the sky and told me to do these things personally, I'd have a hard time complying.

I like how this thread is exactly like every religion thread. And any other religion thread in the future.

Maybe if it was this guy:


That line always came off a bit cultish to me but hey, in Jesus' time he'd have been a cult.

I like how the self-professed philosopher is the one most intent on derailing and contributing nothing of substance.

Well we should all know what fone is and isn't capable of by now, so that's no surprise.