Asura.Kingnobody said: »
You are acting like women are 100% innocent in attracting attention and that they are just bystanders of the evil male species.
News flash: There are a lot of women who seek this attention.
News flash: There are a lot of women who seek this attention.
Not really actually.
I've said in every post "most women" to imply there are women who do love the attention, my partner is actually one of them. But a lot of women don't want the attention.
Otherwise you completely missed the point, congrats!
Addendum:
To sum it up, men are responsible for their actions, women are not responsible for mens actions because they feel entitled to subject women to different things, including pickup lines, and sexual harassment because of her clothing and men being wired to typically be the one who tries to show women how good they are as a mate.
As someone else pointed out, that line of thinking is just a few short steps away from victim blaming such as rape cases: Oh she incited him because she dressed skimpy, implying men can't control themselves unless a woman does it for him.
The whole point I said was just that, your edging into a area you don't want to be in. And that is a very real argument against rape victims, it's used ALL the time.
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
All men, or just the majority?
By your tone of your posts, it's nearly all men who act like this. Why else would you have this irrational fear of men in the first place?
By your tone of your posts, it's nearly all men who act like this. Why else would you have this irrational fear of men in the first place?
My fear of men has little to do with them harassing me as I walk around. But being a widespread problem, I'd say close to majority.
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Sorry, but 451/151,000,000 is still very very very very very very very very very very few instances. If you are going to condemn all men for the horrid behavior of 451, then I will condemn all women for the same thing. How would you like it if I start calling you a heartless, money-grubbing, selfish, horrible, evil ***?
You wouldn't like that, would you?
You wouldn't like that, would you?
451 is a fragment yes, but it's also symptom of a much larger problem that women recognize, and a problem that is FAR higher then 451 women. And men have no clue, as this thread repeatedly shows.
Name calling is a bit beyond, and I would just block you and stop the conversation, because nothing civil would come of it. I've not called men names except in very specific points I was making backed by statistics, and only named those specific men.
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Shiva.Katharyn said: »
According to statistics 1 in 5 women in the US will be sexually assaulted during their lifetime.
http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/SV-DataSheet-a.pdf
http://www.nsopw.gov/(X(1)S(rkn2uquw3bjq4a5ccoa4vpqe))/en/Education/FactsStatistics
Edit: Not sure why this link didn't come out right as clickable... Just copy and paste it to your search bar and it should work fine. Glad I caught that.
This link has some outdated data from years (2006-10) as it cites only 112m women in the Us, but 2013 census data shows there's 316m people in the US and 50.8% were female. But it's enough to get the idea how things have been and as other data shows, grown, since and some information is still considered valid.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Shiva.Katharyn said: »
And I've met several quite respectable guys in FFXI.
You and other repeatedly state I hate all men.
I'm giving instances to show I don't, or I wouldn't talk to them.
Other then that, all my friends live out of state (idaho, oregon, Georgia) so how do you want me to relate RL experiences in this regard? I'm a SAHM, i spend most of my time at home with the kids, I don't get much time to get out. (not for a lack of desire, being cramped up in the house all day gets tiring.)
Addendum: p.s. I've not ever stated I hate all men, or even a portion larger then the few who abused me. Do people really not understand what hate is anymore? Is it just a blanket term to most people now?
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Shiva.Katharyn said: »
I do fear most men though.
My past experiences have shown me enough to be fearful. I never said you or others here for example, give a d***, half this thread proves men don't give any d*** about anything women experience, it's easier to dismiss it then to believe it. A human trait I've noticed.
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Because if this is the worst thing in her life she has to live through, which it obviously is (as she wouldn't be complaining about this if there were something worse in her life that she has to live with), then she has it made.
A problem doesn't have to be the worst thing in order to be a problem.
You've said you have a valid reason to (though you claim to not) distrust or even hate women, but does that somehow render any other bad thing that happens to you to be lesser, because "worse things have happened to me!"
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
I highly doubt that you have been played around by a guy only to have them crush your soul after they have taken a little over half a million dollars from you, and they knew that they wouldn't get any more than that unless they show some sort of commitment towards a lifetime relationship. You know, marriage and all that. By soul crushing, I'm talking about one of the worst things you can possibly say to an accountant fiance.
Well, since you shared a bit of detail of what I assume to be the reason for your past dark problem, I shall be equally candid and share a little of mine.
I've never had money stolen from me.
I was raped by my uncle at 10yrs old. I first started seeing a therapist after that.
Later in my life I married my ex-husband, we were happily married for 5 years, and then he somehow flipped a switch, and started beating, and raping me. I was forced to be pregnant 3 additional times because he stole and destroyed my birth control, and controlled my life to the point I wasn't able to seek methods to protect myself from him.
I lived in fear daily up to the one day he tried to smother me with a pillow after making me drink alcohol. After facing that night I escaped with my kids to his mothers house who defended me until I found other shelter.
We divorced as soon as i had the money to file.
I've been to a therapist for several years since that. (thank you to those who keep mentioning it!)
I think that's enough detail.
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
So, you just admitted that your argument is that all guys are like this, huh?
Nope. I've admitted if something is a recurring problem in society, there's likely a reason. If we keep coming back to "not all men" then why? It can't just be a couple of damaged women, as some here might put it, starting a nationwide thing.
If it's not a problem, why keep bringing it up?
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
So, wait, you are endorsing violence towards guys because you got offended over nothing?
I'm not endorsing anything, I'm making a statement that if guys are soo offended by this whole thing, why do guys not take action and stop other guys from creating the problem against women? (I used the term beat up as a figure of speech.) Which as some have put it here, seems to affect men's ability to be able to find a mate.
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
I would be proud because my girlfriend/wife not only attracts others, but also is committed to me and me alone, and make other guys jealous of me for being with such a great and beautiful lady.
Well, I guess that's a more unique perspective then I'm used to hearing. Most guys I've talked to are quite possessive and get mad if other guys hit on "their woman".
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Did you already forget my first post in response to you? I treat men and women the same, and I don't do this to anyone, male or female.
But I'm sure you would love to assume that I do. So, go ahead and assume away.
But I'm sure you would love to assume that I do. So, go ahead and assume away.
I suppose I did, we've jumped 6 pages since my first posting.
I'm sorry for forgetting it.
So far though, you're the only one who's responded to it.
Bismarck.Nickeny said: »
Shiva.Katharyn said: »
I do fear most men though.
Making your opinion on men Biased and completely founded on fear. That isn't healthy at all. I see cats in your future.
Actually, it's based on quite reasonable fear, as I've pointed out. But i don't judge whether my feelings are valid based on other peoples opinions who've no clue what I've been through, and don't have to go through it themselves.
p.s. you missed the part where I said I already have a girlfriend, and we're set to marry this month if things go according to plan. Thanks though!
Bismarck.Nickeny said: »
So women exercising their ability (that women didn't used to have when feminism came to existence) to make a choice about their lives and viewpoints is now disregarding feminism?
That's kind of half the point of feminism lol.
But as i've said above, I use the term "most women" for that very reason, because not every single woman views everything the same way, though there are some universal truths all women do, such as a few things in my posts.