For The Shinies! A Guide For Thief

Ok so during this Omen campaign I want to concentrate on THF cards and I'm just wondering which pieces I should get first? I only have 7 cards so far. Keep in mind I have Adhemar +1 gear so that probably makes the body less of a priority.

I am thinking something like...
head +2 > hands +2 > head +3 > hands +3 > legs +2/+3 > body +2/+3

also how is best to so skillchain objective on THF? Aeolian Edge spam?

thanks for any help

Hands are ***. Forget that hands exist. Head+3 first, it's universally awesome for everything. Legs and Body are only other truly viable options for those rare situations you want higher meva/acc than Adhemar provides.

So I'd do:

Head +3 > legs +3 > body +3 > change job.

I'm getting all +3 during this,
Already have +3 feet rest +2 waiting on cards already farmed the scales.
Why are hand junk?

From my understanding the 'Trick attack +20' on the hands just adds +20 damage, not +20% damage. Considering a trick attack WS is going to be 30-60k damage, 20 is absolutely nothing. And the Meghanada+2 hands have WSD+7% on them.

It used to be it added 20% of your AGI to Trick Attack. I don't know if it is still like that.

It's probably still like that. Don't think anyone has bothered testing it, but I don't think it needs to be tested.

Still, they're not that great.

That makes it slightly better but still total ***. And you're almost certainly right, too.

It's decent for non was ta, but why would anyone do that.

Unfortunately the reason it is useless for taws is because the added damage from ta isn't affected by http://fTp. The formula is literally (WSC * ftp) + TADMG

Interestingly enough this is some of why Vajra isn't as amazing as it could be.

Petition to change how Trick/Sneak damage+ works!

this is wrong, Vajra does not work like the individual hand SA and TA enhancements, and is exponentially better also.

I didn't say that it did, just that its not as good as it could be.

It's not the same formula, but still underwhelming. I should've been more clear. All the ways TA+ and SA+ and "enhancing" etc, could be better implemented.

What I hoped vajra would do ended up not being anywhere near what it actually did.

Apologies, it appeared to me like you were comparing the effects of the hands vs Vajra on SA/TA.

So, i picked up thf again, kind of. Working on aeonic. but in the meantime, what's the best 2 non rema weapons currently? I have seen somewhere (probably this thread at some point), that Taming is best mainhand, does that count over augmented Skinflayer or is there a minimum i can get on skinflayer to outclass Taming? I also have augmented Sandung. so should it be skinflayer/sandung. Taming/sandung, skinflayer/taming or something else?

That question has been answered a million times already.

Well if you know, it would have just as simple for you to actually answer the question. Excuse me for not wanting to go through 160 pages of info. Thanks for your input.

160 pages? How about just go back one page? /Smh

If it's not on the last page, it doesn't exist.

Don't bother. They'll just waste your time and inventory space once you get your aeonic, which shouldn't take too long to get these days.

Lots of options for what is best as it depends on your gear and buffs. Capped SR > most. Can do Unity for lowest delay dagger, unity Serket for trip att+4 acc etc. Escha Sky thf JSE dagger, JSE dagger from NPC in port when fully augmented. Options are just that depending on your gear buffs and content tier. But like Ihina said It is a waste unless you want to collect them.

Best non-REMA daggers gives you options:

Want to waste time? Taming Sari.
Want to waste gil? Skinflayer.

Pick your poison.

If I ever resub, I'd like to revisit the viability of the Jugo+1.

The one avenue for increasing damage output that no one is using anymore is using a low delay dagger to increase tp gain, hence, ws rate. The reason no one is using it is because the /twashtar really is a fantastic dagger for THFs at the moment. It provides approximately an 8.5% increase to Rudra as well as having very solid DMG and delay.

The Achilles's heel to that dagger is that, as we gain more and more dex in our sets, the usefulness of that +50dex will diminish slowly over time.

According to my math, a 200/142 setup would provide approximately a 4% gain in tp rate over a 200/176 setup, and the addition 3TA will provide approximately 2.5% gain, resulting in about 6.5% gain in tp gain rate. If you're smrt, you'll notice that 6.5 is smaller than 8.5.

What troubles me is that, in my old short and admittedly incomplete test, the effective rate I was getting was wildly different compared to my theoretical calculations. The number I was getting was 10%, which is higher than 8.5% and much higher than the calculated 6.5%.

If my theoretical calculations are correct, /twashtar still has a solid lead that won't be surmounted for some time. If my actual play testing is correct, jugo+1 should be a stronger dagger.

I guess I'll have a more definitive answer is SE ever releases some semi-worthwhile content again.

You also lose roughly 60 acc, 20 att, 40 base damage and whatever amount of crit rate that 50 dex contributes by using jugo over twash.

That's bound to wreak havoc on your damage during the tp phase and cause you to sacrifice some amount of multi-hit, att, STP etc. somewhere else.

I would have hoped that we are far, far beyond having to mention such basic facts.

Not with this community, and especially not with this forum. If you don't post like a toddler would be the one reading it...

I don't know what that last sentence is supposed to mean.

something about users having lack of basic understanding and needing everything spelled out for them.

And yet probably works split shift at Applebees.

Me too. Have fun with your Jugo.

Only time i jugo is dyna.

Anyone attempting to test?

Doubt it. The only person I think could pull of a viable test that still plays is LadyOfHonor, and I don't think she has any interest. Not enough content this month for me to resub, but there are rumors of new battle content next month, so we'll see what happens.

Just to be clear, I'm not throwing any weight behind the Jugo at the moment. I just think think this idea is worth a second look.