Did Ff16 Flop?

My guy you're not going to gaslight me when you literally wrote that the game has no gameplay and is just an interactive movie at least twice on this that very page. Just because you had an awful point and got called out for it doesn't mean youre gonna get away with walking it back and pretending like it never happened.


It is the year 2024, I don't care if games allow you to skip the parts you don't like to get to the parts that you do like. It's entirely optional and isn't forcing you to use it at all, I don't see a single problem with it.

I struggle to think of many if any FF bosses that don't have a save point adjacent to them. I'll take your word for it that they exist and just assume I don't have perfect memory.

That said I disagree with the idea that there's much merit to failing a boss and having to backtrack. Outside of grinding some levels to get stronger I can't think of a single time I've ever gone out of my way to hunt down a new piece of equipment just to down a single player final Fantasy boss outside of getting ultimate weapons for super bosses like Penance, but you know going into those that you need that kind of ***if you don't want the fight to take the next 3 years of your life. I wouldn't particularly call grinding levels compelling gameplay but I'm.willing to accept that some people like vegging out and grinding mobs. I'm not one of those people anymore. I've seen people as recent as last month play through games like FF7 for the first time with no idea what they're doing, for some it was even their first FF game. They were able to blunder through even the hardest boss fights in the game without grinding with some of the jankest builds I've ever seen in the history of the internet (Tifa wearing 4 cover materia...). Did it take a few tries for them to beat things like the Safe boss in Shinra Mansion? Yes. But they had a save right outside and just went back in and did it again until they won (they never figured out the gimmick btw, just brute forced it).

Only when they did things like emerald weapon did they take some time to grab some extra levels.

Ultimately, while there's room for skill and knowledge in these games, so too is there room for it in XVI. You don't need to stretch muscles to beat any of them. Minmaxing and pushing your limits is something you do if you truly enjoy doing so, but don't get it twisted, it is absolutely optional in XVI and any other FF.

Anyway have to go pick my dog up from the groomer, will respond to further replies later.

Tales of Arise is pretty good. interactive anime.

Again all in your head. Some people are just not going to like that new iPhone Final Fantasy game like you do.

The interactive anime comment was on how SE put tons of resources into these cinema quality cut scenes while having the gameplay be lackluster. It's a pattern that's been happening since FFXIII, longer cutscenes with less and less gameplay. Obviously some people like this, and that's good for them. Some of us don't, so we just chose a different product.

If you already know what the super boss is, and how long it'll take, and how to get the ultimate weapons for it, etc.. then you read everything in a guide anyway. I have nothing against people who use guides, but it is a different kind of gaming.

hell yeah, nine pages

vive le ffxiah

That's too bad. SE wants you to love all Final Fantasy games together. That's why they built XIV to prove it.

Think it'll make 17 though?

yeah but it'll have action combat so people are gonna *** about it

Hey nothings wrong with action combat, just be good action combat.

Like have folks never played a Tales game before? Ground Artes -> Up Artes -> Air Artes -> Ground Artes -> Mystic Arts type combos.

9+ pages of discussing whether FF16 did flop or not. My guess is it didn't. Almost nobody has ever come to us to talk about it. I mean, FF16 is no different from most games. People just play a game, beat it, and move on to another game. But man I found the image I posted on discord a year ago. How adorable! It's like Yoshi-P secretly likes Tales of Berseria!

Two things

First, 16's combat is good. I don't know where people are getting the idea that it's not, but the combat in 16 is pretty solid as long as you take off the training wheels and actually learn how it works. 16 has its flaws and some people don't like that it HAS action combat, but I've yet to see a credible argument against the combat itself that isn't either "but the rings make it easy" or "but you can just dodge around and wait out the cooldowns" to which I say, don't put on the rings, and if you want to sit on cooldowns then every fight will be the most boring 8 minutes of your life and no wonder you didn't like the game.

Second, and far more importantly, the joke was that we would get to PAGE 17, and no one would like it because it would have action combat.

Haven't even played it (yet) and I'm 95% certain I will hate this aspect of the game the most.

I did get to play both FFXV and FFXVI and both systems were definitely mediocre. That's likely due to me playing games with more developed systems. I put that video earlier for a reason, that is how you do action RPG combat. Itemization and skillpoints matters because it changes the attributes and balance between offense and defense. This is important because the better you are at dodging / countering / avoiding damage, the more you can build for damage and less for defense. Someone who is newer is going to build more towards defense to survive making a mistake and taking a boss hit to the face. Being able to do aerial acrobatics and keep linking moves together for 40+ hit combos is the difference between a 5~7 minute boss fight and a 30+ minute boss fight.

This is a proper fight



You can find other YT videos where they are using much slower defensive strategies and take two to three times as long.

I platinumed Arise on unknown. It's a good game! It's also not even the best combat in the Tales series.

Nope, just the most recent. Namco is pretty damn good at making action RPG games.

Also good at releasing on multi-platform the same day.

Me too, I really enjoyed it. I have to get around to doing the DLC

It's fine. It's in the weird spot where it came so long after the original game that it feels a little like a sequel, but it's not big enough for that.

I still liked it quite a bit, but it just hit kind of a weird spot in terms of size/timing. The fact that I couldn't use my super tricked out party from my main save slot was annoying. But! It was good and I was glad to spend time with those characters again

I really liked the characters and enjoyed the combat a lot. Still have a little hootle above my monitor. I never played a tales game before that but I had it on max difficulty to start and it was fun/challenging. Still remember having to redo Ganabelt like 50 times and the fights felt salifying. If only they decided to copy that one instead.

Curious what you guys thought of Berseria's combat. I never played a Tales game before it & was drawn to it by its character designs (more rugged & less colorful than Xillia for example) so I thought I might give it a shot. Reached the midpoint and lost interest because I didn't like how combat evolved nor the progression system. Like, I liked the idea but not the execution. A lot of my long-time Tales veteran friends tell me its gameplay is a low point in the series, so I'm curious if that's a popular opinion amongst Tales fan.

Havent played arise so cant vouch for thst but among the 3d tales graces/xilla 2 have the best combat, but come at the cost of just about everything else being subpar, graces moreso there.

Ones before graces are largely just punching bag enemies who go into overlimit, you kite that, then go back to comboing/juggling them, nice spectacle but gets dull after awhile

As for beseria, it okay, it did enough to keep me engaged but story/chars couldnt carry the rest and i ended up dropping it, never really saw why people loved that one apart from it coming off of zesteria which was a dumpster fire

Berseria was fun but they kinda went in a weird direction with it. Tales of Vesperia: Definitive Edition was pretty solid though same with Symphonia though now we're getting into the older games. Some folks really want cinematic graphics and Namco was never known for amazballz graphics. Different folks liked different combat styles and each game mixed character growth / itemization and combat in different ways. If you want a fun joy ride go use an emulator (Duck Station) and play Tales of Destiny.

Graces is by far my fave Tales game; the combat is so great. I realize it has flaws but I love it anyway

(I think Vesperia is probably the _best_ Tales game; I liked Berseria and Zestiria a lot too, Vesperia is hard to argue against.)

i loved abyss and symphonia only!

As an entire series Tales is pretty strong with combat systems, though often games will lack in another department. ToD had one of the best stories IMHO plus was funny as heck. The graphics though ... barely better then ToP from SNES. Music was pretty on point also, and the little church girl with the ginormous sword with a perverted old man personality was never ending laughs.

I think Yuri combos probably are a lot more smooth than most of Tales of games I have played.

Graces is my favorite of the more modern ones, but Eternia will always be my favorite over all.

If the journey is part of the reward the please leave in the sense of accomplishment by difficulty. If it's me playing 2 player yoshi with my child, I'm going to immediately put it on easy mode.

I love a proper hard mode, makes me feel like the game is more challenging/fun. I try to do it in every game, the hardest mode to start and its been fun. I don't like when they let you change the difficulty mid game though, or when they allow you to change parameters of the hard mode because then you feel like you might cheat. I wish the pokemon games continued with hard modes from black/white, those were weak but they should keep trying.

I wish CBU3 would put out anything that had any kind of rpg-systems-depth to it. Both XIV and XVI are basically entirely execution based and don't even have basic rpg staples like elemental weaknesses or a meaningful distinction between physical and magical damage.
XVI's combat is a little more interesting to me than XIV's because you have to put some thought into your build, but it mostly feels like a watered down action game. And compared to FFVII Remake, XVI feels extremely shallow.
(Meanwhile XIV at max level is just a rhythm game with no note lane where you memorize what buttons to press and just repeat that to infinity).