The Sealed Dagger: A Ninja Guide

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By Phoenix.Capuchin 2024-05-06 18:27:02
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jubes said: »
tp bonus is just as good for hybrids as it is for savage or ten. if you're happy with those numbers cool, but they go a lot higher.

i will amend that to say though that with aeonic it might be overkill if you're stuck holding tp for any reason.

Yeah, I have generally had better results in practice with Heishi/Kunimitsu as opposed to Heishi/Hitaki. The TP Bonus does add some damage, but katana hybrids are no Savage Blade in that respect: Chi and Teki have fTP mods of 0.5/1.375/2.25, Blade: To is 0.5/1.5/2.5. Big difference from Savage Blade's 4.0/10.25/13.75, so more TP Bonus is certainly not "just as good" for hybrids as it is for Savage.

Considering you're already WSing in a minimum of +750 effective TP if using Heishi and a Moonshade earring, as a practical matter you WILL waste a whole lot of TP if also using an offhand TP Bonus +1000. Even just getting a triple attack proc can easily push you above 1250tp and cause some of that TP to be wasted.

Kunimitsu's no slouch either, tons of great stats for hybrids: WSD+5%, lot of attack, MAB/Macc/Mdmg. And of course, STP+5 and a lot of Acc for TP purposes, versus non-ilevel offhand that can become a liability on harder targets.

I just haven't found Hitaki worth it for hybrids most of the time. Was a bit better for me with Nagi mainhand, since that means 500 less TP Bonus and less likelihood of inadvertently going over on TP, but even then I think I've settled into preferring Kunimitsu.

Now, Savage Blade is a different animal, so Naegling/Hitaki is pretty good and that's my go-to if no accuracy concerns. But that's really the clear best use case for Hitaki.

Blade: Ten has similarly strong fTP mods as Savage, so Hitaki is pretty strong for that too - but again, there is a significant risk of overkill on TP when you're adding 1500-1750 TP Bonus to each WS. That leads me to tend to go Kunimitsu for Ten as well.
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By K123 2024-05-07 03:38:23
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jubes said: »
tp bonus is just as good for hybrids as it is for savage or ten. if you're happy with those numbers cool, but they go a lot higher.

i will amend that to say though that with aeonic it might be overkill if you're stuck holding tp for any reason.
I'm sure they go higher with actual buffers and not just trusts. Alas, I am using 5 trusts only.
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By jubes 2024-05-07 04:06:43
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seems i'm misremembering, tried to emulate your gear and buffs (used +0 chaos/fighters) and did come out almost exactly at 30k avg. i do remember multi-hit procs hitting closer to 50-60k though, guess it was less often than i thought.

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By Kadokawa 2024-05-07 04:16:29
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You have to remember that these Hybrid WS are mostly used on Monster that weak to the WS element, and that not calculated by the Emulator.
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By K123 2024-05-07 07:12:40
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My gear is a bit different to that but realised I didn't have mantle and dingir ring in. My aeonic is R1, no o sash, dex with wsd , but I'm averaging much higher than that on apex bats now
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By SimonSes 2024-05-07 09:04:49
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Phoenix.Capuchin said: »
Chi and Teki have fTP mods of 0.5/1.375/2.25, Blade: To is 0.5/1.5/2.5. Big difference from Savage Blade's 4.0/10.25/13.75, so more TP Bonus is certainly not "just as good" for hybrids as it is for Savage.

What you have posted means that TP bonus is BETTER for hybrids than for Savage.

For :Chi and :Teki it's +275% damage from 1000TP to 2000TP and +63% damage from 2000TP to 3000TP. :To scales even better.

Now Savage is +256% from 1000TP to 2000TP and "only" +34% from 2000TP to 3000TP.

Hitaki is only decent and not "omg the best" for hybrids, not because TP bonus works worse for it, but more because that Heishi has 500TP Bonus and Kunimitsu has mab/macc etc. which has much bigger impact for hybrid than for Savage. Hitaki is still bis for Hybrids assuming it doesn't uncap your macc and acc.
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By Godfry 2024-05-07 11:13:23
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SimonSes said: »
Now Savage is +256% from 1000TP to 2000TP and "only" +34% from 2000TP to 3000TP.

OH ***... Simonses is back. Now we are saved from the con-artists and their pseudo-knowledge.
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By SimonSes 2024-05-07 15:46:13
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Godfry said: »
SimonSes said: »
Now Savage is +256% from 1000TP to 2000TP and "only" +34% from 2000TP to 3000TP.

OH ***... Simonses is back. Now we are saved from the con-artists and their pseudo-knowledge.

I couldn't resist to nitpick that, but I'm generally still on hiatus (playing Predecessor almost exclusively) with no intention of coming back anytime soon.
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