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Glavoid: Gorge/Disgorge info?
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By Odin.Almont 2012-01-23 17:36:43
That bit about never having taken 'sufficent' damage from Disgorge actually sounds pretty accurate for an SE update.
Carbuncle.Burkey
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By Carbuncle.Burkey 2012-01-23 17:57:31
the only thing that having a defensive atma such as earth wyrm does is often minimize/negate stonega and quake, and negate slowga (agas still wipe shadows).
the ONLY way to minimize disgorge is to have it hit multiple people, sorry. fought 200+ glavoids and here's the results:
earth carol I, earth carol II, shellra V, barstonra, atma of earth wyrm, stoneskin, etc etc....do nothing for disgorge
disgorge will do 0-9k damage, what it hits you for is pretty much how unlucky you are, for me, its sits around 6k~. again, disgorge is completely random on a single target, cant tell you how many times ive taken 9k with all possible buffs up. this doesnt mean you will always take 9k, no, but you will definitely die more than survive w/out a stun
my advice: bring a few people, or brew him, if you dont want to get frustrated with this trial. ki are easy enough to get, but when you try fighting him thf/nin or thf/dnc (for stun?/TH) and whm, and wipe, and lose claim to really cool people who happen to be watching you the entire time or run by..you are pretty SoL.
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By Odin.Sawtelle 2012-01-23 18:03:27
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If you need "help" stunning welcome to PM me. :3 (I think this is still within the rules, sorry if not)
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Bismarck.Helel
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By Bismarck.Helel 2012-01-23 18:04:14
I'm pretty sure disgorge is reduced by PDT and not MDT. I've never seen it do over 1500 damage to me on BLU. I've killed it many times with just a RDM for support and it's never been a problem. It almost always does 500 damage. It's very rare for it to do more than that, but the interesting thing is it always doubles based on the lowest amount of damage.
If I usually take 500 damage, then occasionally it will do 1000, and very rarely 1500. What puzzles me is I'm still not sure what causes this to happen. I actually don't think it's based on the amount healed, because there's been a couple times where the BLM healed him for over 2k, and disgorge still only did 500. It might be based on the # of times you heal him instead (counting BW)?
But then he can use disgorge right off the bat for a high amount too so I don't know. I'm genuinely curious just for the sake of curiosity.
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Phoenix.Brixy
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By Phoenix.Brixy 2012-01-23 18:14:05
Disgorge is PDT, I have tanked countless Glavoids on DNC/NIN with fan dance(just incase I miss a stun). With fan dance I have yet to be one shotted by disgorge, so yes it is physical damage not magic.
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By Asura.Arkanethered 2012-01-23 18:36:01
Asura.Arkanethered said: »PDT
PDT
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By Dugvayne 2012-01-23 18:58:04
Can anyone else validate claims that Disgorge dmg is split like 1000 Needles? I have seen its dmg all over the place and haven't done enough Glavoids to know for sure. I was thinking it would be best to have the healer hang back so in case she misses stun and it does ludicrous dmg she will at least survive and kite until i can get it back. I will likely low-man the rest of the shells so i'm appreciating all the feedback -b
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2012-01-23 18:58:36
It is split exactly like 1000 needles, but it is a multiple of 3000 damage.
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By Odin.Sawtelle 2012-01-23 19:01:06
I dont think its like 1000 needles since its not even, but it does seem to split. I've taken 5000 before while my cotank takes 100 with no difference in defensive buffs/gear. I dont remember exact numbers but I clearly remember them not looking like resist numbers.
Edit: I cant find screenshot as i'm nt at computer, so definitally wont say i'm sure on this. I have a very small sample size of getting hit by disgorge. For all I remember the numbers were 4500(me being caught w/o any mdt taking half of a 9000 dmg disgorge) and and 328 (9/10th resist with shell) which wouldn't have struck me as a resist number at the time.
Bahamut.Cuelebra
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By Bahamut.Cuelebra 2012-01-23 19:09:00
it is like 1000 needles. have someone sub /dnc for violent flourish or if ur whm is good they can stun and cure
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By Bahamut.Krizz 2012-01-23 20:30:29
Topicbans issued, posts deleted, etc.
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By Asura.Arkanethered 2012-01-23 20:34:24
Wow this went somewhere fast and got fun apparently... Sadly I have missed it... >.<
Bismarck.Sylow
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-01-23 20:35:53
It is split exactly like 1000 needles, but it is a multiple of 3000 damage.
it's automatically 9000 if i'm in the party!
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-01-23 20:39:51
When lowman, reducing the damage with numbers isn't really applicable, but it works in bigger groups.
Bismarck.Helel
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By Bismarck.Helel 2012-01-23 21:10:12
It is split exactly like 1000 needles, but it is a multiple of 3000 damage.
Are you saying that it can't do less than 1500 (assuming -50% PDT)? Because it can and usually does. I think it would be more correct to say it's a multiple of 1000. 500 damage is the lowest I've ever seen it go (with -50% PDT).
I don't engage and just spam spells, therefore never healing it. That's the only thing that I do differently, and for whatever reason, it always keeps disgorge damage fairly low. I'm just curious why it (rarely) does up to 1500.
Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2012-01-23 21:36:27
i just near solo'd the damn thing on dancer and not ONCE did my stun fail me
in the end it was ME who missed the stun on gorge and died >.>
so id say its fairly reliable to stun it
as far as disgorge being PDT or MDT i'm not quite sure, but i know Gorge is MDT
Bahamut.Bojack
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2012-02-10 16:38:12
Does this Phalanx thing still work? lol
Bismarck.Sylow
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-10 16:39:29
IDK, it doesn't seem to work from /RDM.
Asura.Myrrh
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By Asura.Myrrh 2012-02-10 17:29:38
Bismarck.Sylow
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-10 17:30:17
Stunning requires competence.
Asura.Myrrh
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By Asura.Myrrh 2012-02-10 17:31:40
Stunning requires competence.
Damn you. Don't let them out of the cage.
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By Ramuh.Kailana 2012-02-10 17:50:52
Stunning takes like....no effort at all. Just pay attention to the screen.
Glavoids one of those mobs where I find the fewer people you throw at it, the easier it gets. Just stun it, or run into it. Either works fine.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-02-10 17:52:49
Stunning takes like....no effort at all. Just pay attention to the screen.
Glavoids one of those mobs where I find the fewer people you throw at it, the easier it gets. Just stun it, or run into it. Either works fine. This is Abyssea in general. I'm pretty sure it was created with that in mind, punishing large groups for swarming a mob.
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By Pandemonium.Anookulchandra 2012-02-10 18:09:31
Solo it nin/dnc. Eat the single target spells and normal hits with shadows. Keep up steps and stun as needed disgorge, keep up yonin, yurin, aisha, myo, blind, [para if you really must (doubt slow will land idr)] the entire time and he will barely tp in general. If you have half a brain and can get good with realizing when it's gonna tp and throw up migawari with af3+2 body (don't remember if af3+1 body augments it.) It's not hard to box up ninja and get a decent tp set. One of the best bodies ninja chainmail is really easy to get and regardless should be gotten regardless.
If your migawari isn't up soon turn your back put on evasion set and wait till timer is up to play it safe. If you seriously still die to glavoid after this... quit.
I have killed Glavoid about 10 times so far with low-man setups (THF, WHM, RDM trio) and i died on all but 3 fights. I just want to know as much about the nature of Glavoid's abilities as i can before I waste any more KI popsets.
The ONLY problems i have been having through these fights are Gorge/Disgorge one-shotting me. I understand that these two abilities are earth-based, and having as much earth resistance as possible (barstonra, earth carol II, etc) will supposedly render these abilities survivable - specifically earth carol II which is said to make these abilities harmless (0 dmg reports).
So here's what happened today. tried duoing with a whm after reading some testimonials. We were well-prepared and the fight went very well until the inevitable disgorge insta-kill. i only accidentally healed it once, maybe for 500 max, it only used gorge once, absorbing 500hp from me and a little more from the whm. the first time it used disgorge, it did about 1,400 dmg to both the whm and i. the way i understand it, disgorge is like 1000 needles in that you need more bodies to split the dmg with, so we were both standing in front of glavoid. for the record, again, i am thf, have all stat/hp abyssites, used earth wyrm (earth+100), ebon hoof (superior HP) and RR atmas, along with barstonra and shell V. I had over 3300 HP. the second disgorge is used did 4300 dmg to me and 4500 to the whm.
i understand the best advice on these abilities is to keep them stunned, i just want to understand how the dmg is determined. a friend is telling me the dmg seems to be in multiples of 3000, perhaps doing 3000 split the first time, then 6000 split, then 9000, up to 12000. it's possible the whm stunned the 2nd disgorge and i didn't notice, then its third was split between us for 4500~ each, but i can't square this with my experience from the previous fights where i was healing it for a ton and ate 2 or 3 disgorges (not split, all me) before the one that killed me.
i'm just discouraged now because i stacked HP and earth resistance but none of disgorge's dmg seemed to be mitigated.. so how is it that people are saying earth carol is a necessity if it's just earth resistance, the same as barstonra and the earth atma? i've had good fights where i'm never in any danger and bad fights that kill me from the start. at this point it looks like it's just luck. Am i missing anything or is stun that critical?
thanks in advance for any helpful insight
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