Max Theoretical DPS?

In such a situation if WAR were to consistently pull hate like that for retaliation, it would most likely win, as long as they didn't die but the longer they keep hate, the greater chance that will eventually happen.

It's also worth mentioning that in real world scenarios RUN's main advantage over not just WAR, but all other jobs, is just how resistant it is to debuffs with the right runs, barspells and Pflug,

And yet, there were people who knew exactly what was asked. Learn to read, thanks.

Since I can't read I don't know how to respond to this.

Now I'm not an expert in trolling

Are you sure?

Does any of this even matter? Who really cares what job can do the most damage to a campaign fortification in those awful campaign battles where the beastmen never show up (even if those towers could take the same damage as WoC)?

I think the point of this thread proves that, whether troll or not, there is no "BEST DPS", in theory, or in actual live game. There are too many abilities, spells, traits, and circumstances (pulling hate, dying) that would factor into who can and cannot deal the most damage. The best we can do is narrow down a few top end DDs and state which specific scenarios they would be the best in and where they would rank. But all of that goes out the window if you totally ignore obvious mechanics, like pulling hate, having to swap to DT set to stay alive, status ailments, timers, defensive JAs that are actually offense-based, etc. You cannot separate the two from each other. They matter.

So, the best DPS is knowing how to play FFXI.

Trolling if down properly is an art form. And must only be used to your own amusement.

If done properly you can become more powerful than you can even imagine...or so the legend says...

I think the point of this thread proves that, whether troll or not, there is no "BEST DPS", in theory, or in actual live game.

So, the best DPS is knowing how to play FFXI.

How about you have to play with one hand, in a cast, on 56k dialup, during a snow storm, no monitor and an IBM mouse and keyboard?

How about you have to play with one hand, in a cast, on 56k dialup, during a snow storm, no monitor and an IBM mouse and keyboard?

How I play FFXI

Do you don't, you kinda proved this when you said


You would only think that if you believed MA is being checked every hit, otherwise the absurdly of that becomes very obvious.

The rest is just word salad.

If rolls change then gear changes too and fighters roll just means we go with a 4-hit base set instead of a 5-hit which sacrifices 20~28 DA but that's how much Fighters gives anyway.


Embolden is a 10min JA that results in a buff that lasts less then 2 minutes and has a rough penalty for activation. It's ~1s for cast and 3s of post-cast global lockout, if using Embolden then add 1~2s for JA lockout. That's like saying Warcry is up 100% of the time. And yes RUN is pretty solid, I mentioned that earlier but it's not going to beat a WAR. SAM are WAR are the two jobs with the highest damage ceilings for much the same reason, both innately have JA/JT that compress their WS cycle time enabling a higher volume of WS's to be used. High end DPS is about compressing that time to the smallest possible, it's why jobs like THF don't come close, their damage is tied to JA's with static timers. I've been in longer DPS races with tricked out DD RUN's before, they like to brag about WS numbers then I do a data dump and show them WS frequency and how they lost by a good 20% in total damage. I also show how they had multiple low number WS's that their eyeballs forgot to remember.

Having 50% TA (which they don't have remotely close to) would result in 25% of WS's being 5 hits, 25% of WS's having 9 hits (therefor 8) and 50% of WS's having 7 hits. Having 100% DA (1 TA = 2 DA) would result in 100% of WS's having 7 hits. These numbers would average out, except the second TA's damage is nerfed by half due to the 8 hit limit. Now in practice we tend to carry mixes of QA, TA and DA resulting in an annoying distribution of results, but the overriding theme is massive amounts of DA result in predictably consist numbers and anything that puts you over 8 hits is wasted.

Plus the guy is just trolling everyone, he's a DD RDM and figures he could stew stuff up. I actually have all these jobs tricked out and used them on various high end targets.

I have to admit due to public education I can't understand basic math...so if you could dumb down this discussion. I could figure out which job to play.

no math has been done, don't worry

High level NM's have beyond ridiculous defense, Idris Frailty isn't enough to reach over 4.0 value.