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RDM Composure Empy 5/5 Extended Enh Duration Nerf
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By Bleusummers 2013-12-10 13:35:21
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Well it seems like we can no longer buff for extended periods of time after this update for some weird reason, are other RDMs having this issue? my Haste on Party members usually does 5:50 now its doing the normal 3mins my spells on myself were also cut ex. Aquaveil use to give 19mins now its giving a 14:30 duration.

are any other RDMs having this issue?
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By Ophannus 2013-12-24 10:21:47
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Using estoq cape too?
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By Phoenix.Demonjustin 2013-12-24 11:11:24
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I haven't had any issues with these things myself.
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By Shiva.Ariaum 2015-01-06 05:19:56
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Just happened to me, thought I messed up my gearswap, but even with out any plugins loaded self buffs are some very strange number. 3:00 Haste2 no compose. 6:00 w/ compose 7:48 w/ compose and emp cape and feet +2. thought I was going crazy.

I really want to say it happened in the last 2 days for me or so but might have just been when I noticed it.

(Its for sure been tripled in the last year not doubled since the op lol)
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By ospoon 2015-01-06 06:23:54
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Ok, I thought I was losing it as well. Yesterday I noticed my self-buffs were only doing around 7:15 on Refresh II and 8:30 on Haste II, and I could have sworn once I finally plopped on the Atrophy hands +1 it had been doing ~9 min and 11 min respectively. That was literally three days ago I finally got those, so it's something that's happened stealth-like.

I've tried completely rebuilding the swap set, mix and matching pieces to see if one piece is the culprit, etc. No avail, it's seemingly stuck this way until whatever is borked gets fixed. It's 'almost' as if the Composure effect on the Aby+2 isn't working as it was for the RDM self-buffs, since the duration on party members is the same as with the +2 set, cape and Atrophy hands+1, so it's just us. >.<
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By Shiva.Ariaum 2015-01-06 06:34:21
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It's doubling duration instead of triple, and good to know it's not just me. lol thanks.
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-01-06 07:58:43
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My Haste2 lasted the usual 13min 40sec. Are you sure you weren't missing some gear or didn't have composure on? Try doing it manually without any macros.
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By Shiva.Ariaum 2015-01-06 08:27:35
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Tried naked w/o any addon/plugin and compose only. it's only doubling it.
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-01-06 15:35:29
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just tried it naked, just composure. Lasted 9 minutes.

Don't know how you are only getting double.
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-01-06 19:14:51
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someone asked me the same question just recently. I solved his problem for him. you are going off timers aren't you, rather than the actual time? use a real clock and you should see that it is indeed triple. though you did say no plugins... so hmmm.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2015-01-06 19:42:43
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Leviathan.Protey said: »
someone asked me the same question just recently. I solved his problem for him. you are going off timers aren't you, rather than the actual time? use a real clock and you should see that it is indeed triple. though you did say no plugins... so hmmm.

I'm going to go with your macros are broken as mine works perfectly
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-01-06 20:41:59
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Cerberus.Conagh said: »
Leviathan.Protey said: »
someone asked me the same question just recently. I solved his problem for him. you are going off timers aren't you, rather than the actual time? use a real clock and you should see that it is indeed triple. though you did say no plugins... so hmmm.

I'm going to go with your macros are broken as mine works perfectly

he said he did it with zero gear on, just composure. so macros wouldn't be his problem.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2015-01-06 20:49:13
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Leviathan.Protey said: »
Cerberus.Conagh said: »
Leviathan.Protey said: »
someone asked me the same question just recently. I solved his problem for him. you are going off timers aren't you, rather than the actual time? use a real clock and you should see that it is indeed triple. though you did say no plugins... so hmmm.

I'm going to go with your macros are broken as mine works perfectly

he said he did it with zero gear on, just composure. so macros wouldn't be his problem.

Can't count?

GM it ingame for someone who can actually help then
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By Valefor.Ophannus 2015-01-08 12:39:50
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Haste/Haste II is a 3min base duration, not 5 minutes. Some people think its 5min and they're confused as to why it's only giving them a 10min haste with composure and gear as opposed to 12-15min.

With estoq cape/atrophy hands+1/estoq feet and composure:

Estoq Cape: 1.1x
Hands: 1.16x
Feet: 1.20x
Composure: 3.0x

Total bonus: 3.46x duration
Is it additive or multiplicative?
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By Shiva.Ariaum 2015-01-08 12:46:57
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lol. It's timers, loaded timestamp after I posted this it lasts the 12~ (with reforged af, emp cape and feet) min it should timers plugin is just reporting it as doubled with compose up now no idea why. Sorry didn't look back after I posted.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-01-08 12:49:48
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Valefor.Ophannus said: »
Haste/Haste II is a 3min base duration, not 5 minutes. Some people think its 5min and they're confused as to why it's only giving them a 10min haste with composure and gear as opposed to 12-15min.

With estoq cape/atrophy hands+1/estoq feet and composure:

Estoq Cape: 1.1x
Hands: 1.16x
Feet: 1.20x
Composure: 3.0x

Total bonus: 3.46x duration
Is it additive or multiplicative?
Doubt thats right fully geared my haste lasts just under 14
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By Asura.Highwynn 2015-01-08 13:06:15
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Cape is +10% feet is +20% hands +16% composire +300%, but i guess its multiplicative which would be like 4.5x duration which would be like 13.7 minutes
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2015-01-20 04:21:32
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Valefor.Ophannus said: »
Haste/Haste II is a 3min base duration, not 5 minutes. Some people think its 5min and they're confused as to why it's only giving them a 10min haste with composure and gear as opposed to 12-15min.

With estoq cape/atrophy hands+1/estoq feet and composure:

Estoq Cape: 1.1x
Hands: 1.16x
Feet: 1.20x
Composure: 3.0x

Total bonus: 3.46x duration
Is it additive or multiplicative?

+Duration from gear is additive, +duration from composure is multiplicative, the +composure Empy bonus is counted as composure when cast on other people.

So
+10% Cape
+20% Empy +2 feet
+16% Hands
gives +46% from gear.

Empy Head / Body / Legs / Feet give a +35% when cast on others, otherwise +300% when cast on yourself.

Haste II is 180 seconds, so 180 * 1.46 * 3.0 = 786 seconds when cast on yourself for 13:06 duration. When cast on others it's 180 * 1.46 * 1.35 = 353 seconds for a 5:52 duration.