[Archive] The Birth Of Mnejing - A Puppetmaster Guide
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[Archive] The Birth of Mnejing - A Puppetmaster Guide
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This is what I see as best tp set for pup in non acc situations and no focus on auto output. I have all this gear except the hands, and in seeing that tenryu+1 are unobtainable for most people, what would be best to put in hands slot? 4%haste is needed to cap (with ionis), leaving us with omodaka, relic+2, empy+2.... Would putting in one of these gloves be best or switching to a herch sash or twilight belt + non haste gloves (cant think of any) be a better option. [edit] and for acc situations what would be optimal swaps? manibozho body, new pup backpiece, acc belt? Haven't put much thought into it because my pup isn't going against delve bosses because I have mnk, but I would still like to make a set if I find myself doing them in the future. Fenrir.Sylow said: » Only need 3% from hands to cap with Ionis! Nevermind, I was told wrong. It's 12/1024, so need 4!
I've been told it's 2%. Is it 1%? Can I have a link to testing?
If you don't need the haste from hands (or from the automaton non-focus) I would use Usukane Gote +1, assuming you can keep capped haste, which you should, if you swap some gear around.
As for Non-haste gloves, if you have it, I would suggest Myrmex Gloves, or for those without ranged jobs, manibozho gloves using Path: A for Att+15, Acc+10, and STR+10. Yes, some people called this a very silly combination, but seeing as Pup can't use the Buremte Gloves, those would probably be your two best options. Personally, if I had the chance, I would swap into the Herch sash for the accuracy and haste. I believe my Puppetmaster is at 27% haste, so the sash would afford me the chance to use different hands. I also like to make sure my puppet's stats are as high as they need to be, so I use Cirque Guanti +2 as well as my Omodaka Hizayoroi. Bismarck.Llewelyn said: » I've been told it's 2%. Is it 1%? Can I have a link to testing? http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/108199-Random-Facts-Thread-Other?p=5808918&viewfull=1#post5808918 First of all, i'd like to thank everyone who wrote something helpful in this thread :D
i was wondering if the OP guide is gonna be updated soon.. i'd like to start playing PUP since i capped and i'd really need help for gear sets, attachment sets, maneuvers and so on... :) I was curious as to how whm pup stats worked... Since things like haste and the like don't carry over unless it says its for the pet, I was assuming the same was true for cure potency and mnd+ and such. Then I got to thinking then how come pup gets all that weird mage gear then? And thought maybe I had assumed wrong. I was going to be using pup as kind of a solo job, Since I have capped h2h already I figured why not, I mean it seems fun. The more solo jobs the better imo.
Puppetmaster was initially supposed to be a Necromancer which explains why the job was only on mage pieces to start. As the game evolved, PUP slowly began to be added to eastern (MNK/SAM/NIN) sets and then onto mainstream medium sets.
If it doesn't say "pet:" it won't affect the auto.
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That stems way back to 75 cap I think SE was wanting pup to use mage subs and support the party while the auto did the main bulk of the work. Pup back then also only had a C rating in H2H which was rather annoying. Certainly at 75 pup soloing used to involve the blm frame and sleep nuking as /sch if possible or if the mob had decreased movement speed or was a caster you could run while the auto was nuking. It was a lot different than what its like now you didnt rely on the rng/melee frames when soloing. Every pup would have had a curing set and an int set for ice mannys and the limites auto:stat+ gear. I remember at 50-55 main healing with my auto and back up healing /whm so yeah mage gear did make sense back then
Now fast foreword to 2013 and pups are using the rng frame to solo with due to alternators stat buffs and compared to 75 we have a lot more DD gear. Back then pup didnt get any haste legs or feet nor hands until salvage af2 and goliard body were released. Even to get salvage gear you had to have mnk/nin/sam leveled to get in line for them. Any updated sets with the new Skirmish 2 equip?
With +2 DA aug, i believe skirmish hands/feet/legs are better than the set listed by flyingsquirel, which is nice because those hands are super easy to get and to get +2DA on
Valefor.Sehachan said: » Good luck, this one won't be easy.
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Odin.Creaucent said: » I remember at 50-55 main healing with my auto and back up healing /whm so yeah mage gear did make sense back then For (avoiding) maneuver overload, would it be better to use af1 hands + af3 body, or just use ilvl gears to beat autos stats (assuming you would need both slots to do so)?
AF1 Hands, AF3 body, Buffoons collar in maneuver macro.
For neck/belt slots, how does Asperity + Windbuffet compare to, say, Cirque Necklace + Windbuffet, or Cirque Necklace + Shaolin Belt?
Edit: also, I'm assuming that 4/5 Otronif augmented with DA+2 on each piece will win just like for monk? I am only playing pup for fun on the side, used to mess around with it a bit at lv 75, should I be focusing on a WS using Shijin, or Stringing? Since I will mainly be soloing Even match or below lvs, ie rieves, just wondered. Messing around with the spreadsheets but a little guidence would be great, thanks. I have most the attachments but not 100% sure for soloing what is the best set up for each pup style, nuking, rng, support, once again with solo focus.
EDIT: well from all things the XML file says, seems Pummel is the best WS when soloing across all content for most part. Still could use help with the attachments sets, thanks again. (*^.^*) Stringing Pummel is going to be your go-to WS on puppetmaster. It's the best of all H2H WS in the game.
I'll just list important attachments for each auto: Soulsoother- Mana Tank I/Mana Converter/Economizer/Damage Gauge I like to use Mana Booster and Power Cooler, as well as Vivi-valve in Abyssea. Spiritreaver- Loudspeaker I and II/Mana Tank I and II/Tranquilizer/Mana Channeler/Mana Conserver/Mana Converter/Optical Fiber Ice Maker is also nice to add but be sure you're switching in gear to lessen your chance of overload! You'll burn through lots of ice maneuvers with this attachment, in exchange for some very nice damage. Sharpshot- Tension Spring I and II/Drum Magazine/Barrage Turbine/Scope/Optical Fiber/Coiler/Auto Repair Kit II I usually put in an Accelerator and a Armor Plate II. Sharpshot with Alternator has a ton of evasion but -PDT is always nice. Valoredge- Tension Spring I and II/Hammermill/Barrier Module/Turbo Charger/Optical Fiber/Coiler/Dynamo/Auto Repair Kit II Galvanizer is nice for certain mobs. How I setup VE depends on whether he's tanking, or I am. These are just some guidelines. You really should play with the automatons and see what setups you like. The only other puppetmaster that I really play with often is my wife. I don't know how other PUPs set up their automatons specifically but I know what works for me personally. Asura.Melbufrauma said: » AF1 Hands, AF3 body, Buffoons collar in maneuver macro. And new cape, Dispersal Mantle 
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If you use a heatsink, I'm pretty sure you can ice ice water all day and never overload with just the AF3+2 body. Just keep one water maneuver up fulltime, or throw it up every 2 rounds of ice ice ice. If you mess up, there's always cooldown. -------------------------- I use the following attachments for Odin II and Arch Ultima Strobe Hammermill Volt Optic Heatsink Armor II Target Repair T.Charger Barrier Module Attuner Flash Depending on what else is in the party, I may sub in: Mana Jammer - usually use this during Ultima Schurzen - Use during Odin II for 10k needles. Works well, as my pet is sometimes the only thing alive afterwards. What's the general consensus about the new AF?
I get mixed feelings for Head and Body, and hands too I guess. They could be used for "mixed" setups, where you want to melee together with your PET and so want to boost your stats and your automatons. Atm I don't have a "mixed" setup for PUP (I do have one for BST) for the simple reason that when I'm soloing I usually have healer pet so I like to focus on master's stats, and when I'm focusing on the pet (like when I AFK reives with me sneak/invi and pet engaged) I don't really care for master's stats. Atm in my pet stat I have a Crit/DA ACP body, DA-10 haste 5% MKE head, Pantin Hands+2 (augmented), AF3+2 legs, cirque earrin, Puppetry neck, Hurch'lan Sash, Pantin Back and uhm I think that's it. Head/Body/Hands could be a nice alternatives to use to those 3 items above for a mixed sets, but really, I can't see me using a mixed set on PUP. Other opinions? Pasi is just hatin'
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