JUST Upgrade Afterglows If 90s 95s Arent Included

Ok a Few Rules for this Thread lol

1. Anyone with a 99 Relic should just shut up its not anywhere near the same thing as a 99 Empyrean (Relics are way more common for a reason they are easier to 99)
Really? You are probably right. Besides all the coins relics needed lets not forget marrows. Nevermind the fact that for months people spammed Qilin and Iggy. I can totally see your point.

2. Anyone with a Aegis Ochain Daurdabla or Gjallarhorn Shouldn't say a word either cause your Crap isn't broken lol
(OH MY GOD I HOPE THEY DO) Don't worry PLD was broken for a long time - and still has mostly been relagated to, hey stand in that corner and hold these mobs, we'll have a healer check on you every 5 minutes or so.

3. The trials are no where near balanced if that's your Argument
(200M Empyrean VS 120m Relic isn't balanced)... Why do you keep forgetting about umbral marrows?

-- Almost all of Empyrean's have to be farmed , Can't just buy as many pops as you think... Can't just use Mommy Credit Card to buy Gil and then Buy Currency Abyssea is hard.

-- Can Farm 75 Relics With 3 people in 2 months, and go from 95-99 in a day VS Farming a Empyrean with 3 people in 2 months and then from 90-99 Takes half a year... With 18 people Each Run Because of the drop System and Cant be low manned The key here is you need talented people willing to give you umbrals to 99 your relic, versus anyone willing to proc can do VW and will gladly sell you drops or you can get them yourself. Let's also remember dynamis gives you 2 hours period - abyssea and VW time is limited only by your schedule.


4. Also Don't Say 85s wheren't meant to be relevant at 99 the damage increase on a Verethragna 85 is +35 and 99 is +42...... that's only +7 ... 85-99

(I got Along Fine with Any of my 85s Untill Delve Weapons)
Perhaps this was a big flaw in empy design to begin with.


5. you people who say this game is suppose to progress are just dumb... this game doesn't have much space And REM's wheren't suppose to turn over. (I do agree that you shouldn't have to have a REM to be able to participate in endgame)

-- And why revamp Dynamis Einherjar Salvage Nyzul Limbus if they where just gonna break all of it later... No one will do Mythics or Empyreans now

-- Why did they make this Old Endgame useless anyway after revamping all of it?

What poster below you said.


6. IF A RELIC, EMPYREAN, MYTHIC, 99 OWNER CAN CRY ABOUT IT SO CAN A 85 90 95 OWNER (they didn't break BRD or PLD items)
Don't insult my mythic with your 85 H2h weapon.


7. We aren't asking for a Freebie ......
-- lessen plate requirement
-- or Make Pouches Drop Elsewhere
-- or upgrade each tier individually
Verethragna 85 +95 Damage
Verethragna 90 +99 Damage
Verethragna 95 +103 Damage
Verethragna 99 +107 Damage
EXAMPLE -------------------->
-- DO THIS By a Side trial (don't just give it to us)

2. Anyone with a Aegis Ochain Daurdabla or Gjallarhorn Shouldn't say a word either cause your Crap isn't broken lol (OH MY GOD I HOPE THEY DO)

3. The trials are no where near balanced if that's your Argument (200M Empyrean VS 120m Relic isn't balanced)... -- Almost all of Empyrean's have to be farmed , Can't just buy as many pops as you think... Can't just use Mommy Credit Card to buy Gil and then Buy Currency -- Can Farm 75 Relics With 3 people in 2 months, and go from 95-99 in a day VS Farming a Empyrean with 3 people in 2 months and then from 90-99 Takes half a year... With 18 people Each Run Because of the drop System and Cant be low manned

4. Also Don't Say 85s wheren't meant to be relevant at 99 the damage increase on a Verethragna 85 is +35 and 99 is +42...... that's only +7 ... 85-99 (I got Along Fine with Any of my 85s Untill Delve Weapons)

Mfw people still don't get it.

Im pretty sure people will go back to spamming voidwatch for HMPs once emp's are upgraded at 99

As the holder of an 85 Almace and 90 Ochain, I do not expect, nor do I even want, anything below 99 R/M/E to be upgraded because of Delve.

Trials already exist to take 75/80/85/90/95 weapons to the 99 level, and an 85-95 weapon of that caliber probably shouldn't be comparable to other 99 weapons in that range.

99 R/M/E should be superior to Delve weapons. 80-95 should not.

Ok a Few Rules for this Thread lol

You're still talking about this ***?

Wow, an 85 Almace(LOL) and a 90 Ochain.

Delve had no negative effect on you at all. I wonder if you'd be singing a different tune if they made your shield as worthless as non-99 REM are now?

As was previously stated 85+ empyrean holders should get access to WS without having to 99 a WoE weapon.

Anyone who didn't 99 an empyrean shouldn't get access to empyrean WS on their Relic/Mythic/boss delve weapon.

Wow, an 85 Almace(LOL) and a 90 Ochain. Delve had no negative effect on you at all. I wonder if you'd be singing a different tune if they made your shield as worthless as non-99 REM are now? As was previously stated 85+ empyrean holders should get access to WS without having to 99 a WoE weapon. Anyone who didn't 99 an empyrean shouldn't get access to empyrean WS on their Relic/Mythic/boss delve weapon.

I routinely outparse delve DD's by large amounts with my lol90/95 weapons ...

Either you do runs with horribly geared DDs or ones that are just plain horrible. This shouldn't be the case lol.

I'm gonna have to call BS as well. You should probably just go ahead and upgrade to a delve weapon at this point in time as there's no way you'd outparse even a mediocrely geared delve DD, let alone, an elitist delve DD.

Being engaged on a mob, using your JA's wisely, wearing the appropriate gear to utilize curry over pizza or sushi. Beating a delve weapon DD is not that difficult when you consider most of them didn't have a respectable weapon or gear or maybe even the job before delve.

The weapons themselves are godly and I'm working on them too.

I'll retract my previous statement. I can relate to what you're describing. I've been on runs in Morimar where DDs are parsing a 40% hitrate, refusing to eat food, and just plain sucking at all aspects of the job yet they have a delve weapon that should be parsing them through the roof. I'm sick and tired of the amateurity that comes with the majority of the abyssea raised. From Bards, to White Mages, to DD...it's sickening. If they can't hit the mob then it doesn't matter whether they have a delve weapon or not. Therefore, I refuse to defend them and wish you luck on outparsing them. #disgusted

I'll retract my previous statement. I can relate to what you're describing. I've been on runs in Morimar where DDs are parsing a 40% hitrate, refusing to eat food, and just plain sucking at all aspects of the job yet they have a delve weapon that should be parsing them through the roof. I'm sick and tired of the amateurity that comes with the majority of the abyssea raised. From Bards, to White Mages, to DD...it's sickening. If they can't hit the mob then it doesn't matter whether they have a delve weapon or not. Therefore, I refuse to defend them and wish you luck on outparsing them. #disgusted

I'm gonna have to call BS as well. You should probably just go ahead and upgrade to a delve weapon at this point in time as there's no way you'd outparse even a mediocrely geared delve DD, let alone, an elitist delve DD.