JUST Upgrade Afterglows If 90s 95s Arent Included

I'm getting ready for work! D: TAKEMEINYOURSHOUTTONIGHT? I don't have a delve weapon though so I have nothing to offer Q_Q maybe WHM!? Cures are still needed right guys?

ok so how where you procing with BST lol "3 days solo on BST" I don't believe that 1 pop at a time that would take a 150 hour benge in abyssea


LOL "off and on for 3 days" what was it 10 minutes in jeuno 71 hours and 50 minutes in tahrongi?

oh and lets see you stay in dynamis for 72 hours ...... you act like dynamis is harder lol ... everyone would have 15 relics if you could benge farm currency....

but sorry bud it just don't line up either you had a lot of help or your out right lying

Lol, if we were on at the same time I would totally ninja you into a Morta group. I've been seeing them nightly. This weekend?

LMAO my friends 75 Azdaja horns were done in 2 days Apoc trials however were 4 days (ws kills) + 2 days for Attest NM and 2 days for Animated scythe both due to missing JP midnight.

Me personally for a average player I think from NM camping trials
all the way to 90 Version Empyreans aren't so much easier than a Relic for 2-4 people....

The Big Difference is people promise glory, gil and items to get help in Abyssea to get 10+ people then its way faster than a relic

if you farmed Relics with 10+ people they would be done in a week also

(not to mention so many cheaters/Fish botters/Craft Botters just buying Currency)

but outright farming both are pretty even I've done both

(some paths a first and second trials are easier for Empyreans)

but if 2-4 manned both take a few weeks to a month or longer from beginning to end to get a 95 relic or a 90 Empyrean

Count all stages NM camping Currency Farming, 80, 85, 90,
and relics 75-95 trials

these trials are not to far off from being balanced maybe a few days or so low man depending on the weapon

Dynamis does get boring...

1) my friend solo'd carabosse not me L2Read i think he was /dnc.
2) off and on farming means few hours in abyssea few doing some thing else and then back in abyssea for 3 days.
3) if 4 of us can push out 75 Apademak horns in 13 hours should be able to get 50 of w/e easily in less time.
4) I dual boxed my Dragua scales in a week..... on pld + whm lol.
5) dyna is stupidly easy did i say anywhere that it was hard? no i did not.

not solo they wheren't lol

you have no clue what i'm trying to say do you

guy gets a team of 15 people and promises to help them all I bet what a friend

OK I believe this but the rest of this jibberish is either 15 man groups or a lie

3 of us for his Azdaja horns.

Edit: Seriously just face it NMs-90 empyreans arent hard infact they are extremely easy, they arent as "easy" as doing dyna, they are though a lot less of a time sink than relics are.

Edit2: from what ive seen of your gear in game im not surprised it takes you a while to kill stuff with denali on and your bazaar comment of "HAHA you thought it was thaumas didnt ya" makes that more apparent.

Did in one weekend. 75 was easy. Use blu to charge whisker. Use mule or friend to hold ki trigger. Brew three down at a time. Four mil crour on brew.

No brew do vw.

You don't need to proc if all you're after is empyrean items, Treasure Hunter is enough. I duo`d Carabosse and CC in 2 days each.

Man the only hard part about emps is camping Nms
no srsly fawk hovering hotpot

If he can do it, how do you have an argument left?

You Can low man(3 man to be specific, coz salvage/Assaults req.) Mythics to 99 anytime, even w/o "farming" gil coz you can Trio PW if got a good PLD/Healer/Brd, just need lot of time...

You can ¨solo¨ relics to 85, 90-95 might need some help easy to find, 99 need gil.

Empy´s 75-90 can be done solo/lowman depending weapon but 95-99 Even Farming Gil atm there is a ¨low supply¨ on plates, without cinders for those weapons that need them to 99...

I ¨hope¨ SE do something about Plates, like nerf VW so you can ¨solo¨them with your super rank15 delve weapons.. or let you get plates somewhere else... Maybe if/when they introduce Adoulin VWNM.

It also costs between 45-75m to upgrade the mythic to 99 if you dont have help with PW. So you're looking at a total cost of 375m max compared to your cinder cost of 240m. Do you realize what goes into a mythic? Not to mention 125m more gil spent you are spending easily 10x more time.

Lets assume you start from square one on a mythic

-Camp 3 king nms which without a mule can be a huge time sync
-Build 150k Nyzul tokens (maybe you had this done from NNI)
-Not only did you have to have captain to flag the quest then you have to do all 50 assaults again while only gaining 1 tag a tag.
-Build ZNM pops to get the item off of Tinnin and the other two
-Get 100k einherjar points
-Then 30000 alex and 3 mulcibar's scoria to boot.

I have a 99 empyrean and realize the time/effort isnt anything like a 75 mythic let alone a 99 mythic. An empyrean is the fastest thing to build considering you don't need much/if any gil to make one.

Also lol @ you thinking a beast spent 150 hours to solo cara. That would mean 3 hours / gem how bad do you think people are? Your math is bad.

IMO Relics are the faster/easier time/effort wise to make, I did spharai, annihilator each in 12 days, kill trials 12~ hours, 5x nm that day and animated weapons next.

Just needed first 4 stages in Gil to start, and farmed last stage while waiting on goblin.

Empy's you need "a lot" of time, NM camping, vnm nightmare, farm pi/ki to kill NM's x30 if lucky, the farm again to kill 40x nm if lucky, then "farm" 1500 plates, but ATM plates stages are worst than before, since vwnm are practically dead.

And mythics are out of questions.

For the derptard saying it takes him 72+ hours to do a single stage in abyssea:

I recently went from my level 75 Bonesplitter to 85 Ragnarok in less than a week. Hell, my Scale stage took less than 20 hours total. You know why? Amber Farming is an incredibly helpful way to speed up the process.

Getting from 85-90 may take a little while longer for some weapons, but they are not hard. Period. Tedious perhaps, but not hard.

I seriously had to bang my head against my desk when i read 150 hours in abyssea for 50 gems from carabosse, which only requires 2 KI, situated mere seconds away from each other. The fight itself is equally easy. I've seen a bst afk on it and kill Carabosse in 20minutes, just with the ladybug.

Any and all spawned NMs in abyssea repop in roughly 10-15 minutes after kill, so there's no excuse for taking 150 hours for a primary stage like carabosse, even taking into account for pop item farming.

Mythics are hardly out of the question. Doing delve, and depending on server, making 900k+ a delve fracture run in 45 minutes several times a day can help yeild enough of a gain to buy alexandrites. The biggest issue currently is finding people for Einherjar, NI, and assaults. Still, if you spam through your NI at 91-100, you net close to 4k tokens a run, and if you manage 15 floors, closer to 5k or higher. So in roughly 50 days, i think it is, you could potentially manage all your Nyzul Tokens and assault clears. All that remains is the Einherjar and alex.

You can ask BR on this he runs with me at times. I am about 4 days into my relic and ill be done prolly today. Starting from 200k gil. Gil is not hard to make. The hardest part is actually finding the currency or items now.

And as far as the Scoria goes its 3m on our server so 9m for that trial.

Getting the Mulcibar's Scoria is also a bit of a joke. I mean, the T1-4 pops are so easy to get, and the points for them are even easier. It's really looking like people are trying to justify being lazy and demanding that they upgrade their equipment instead of upgrading it themselves, to do content that was meant for people who had mastered previous content.

This particular post fascinate me a bit. I think it highlights the fundamental difference in play styles in this game. Sure, it would be great if all of us could jump in "several" 45 minute plasm farms a day. That's only what, 8-12 hours of game play per day? But the reality is, the majority of the player base can't commit that sort of time, so yeah, things take longer for us. So no, most of us cant knock out an 85 Empy in 2 days because we can't play 24-36 hours straight. This does not mean we are lazy which you went on to state in your follow-on post. It just means we have different priorities. It also doesn't mean we don't have the right to be upset when the work we have done is invalidated like those who took their weapons to 99. In fact, I would think based on the sheer numbers, SE should be significantly more worried about upsetting the more casual but dedicated group of players since we actually make up the majority of the playerbase.

Additionally, I don't understand why so many of the more hardcore players would be bothered by lower tier weapons getting a boost. How does this hurt you? What does it cost you? It would likely end up creating, or even sustaining additional gil streams for you and would help keep the older content viable? I truly don't understand your objections. I can assure you I never posted in the forums when everyone was screaming about their 99's being garbage saying thing like, STFU and deal with it. As far as I'm concerned, the boost was warranted and the upgrades cause me no harm. I see no difference with the lower tiers. It would be easy to implement a tiered upgrade system for the REM's where the damage increases scaled with the level of the weapon and even a lazy POS like me would be willing to put in additional effort to get them there.

And btw, I find it amusing how so many people on the forums question other players "work ethic" in the game. I've seen the word "lazy" thrown around in dozens of posts. It's a game, by definition, I'm slacking off when I play. When I start getting paid to play then I'll show you what kind of work ethic I actually have. Or would have anyhow. I canceled all my accounts in protest so it really doesn't make a difference one way or another at this point.

Conversely, if you don't have time for end-game content, why do you require an end-game caliber weapon?

I'm not taking sides here or really care less either way, I don't see the harm in scaling lower weapons to maybe wildskeeper ***level and maybe 95's a bit below buyable delve weapons. I'm fine either way though. /shrug

Why not? What't the point in playing if you aren't at least attempting to make progress. And who says I don't do endgame content. I just don't have the time to live there. I do it when I can and like to have the option open when I have more time to play. By your reasoning, why play at all if you can't put 12 hours a day in?

Hey SE. Yeah you. Put HMPs in the Plasm item list or stick them in Skirmishes or something.

- Some random *** on the Internet.

The best thing would be to adjust REM to be above rank 15 plasm weapons, and maybe just below v2 Boss weapons. Would keep both relevant, not automatically render REM obsolete. Guess it depends on how soon they plan on implementing v2. If the v2 erlease is the same as the REM adjustment it would work out well.

People could use Rank 15s or Boss weapons for the next 1-2 months and then have their precious back.

If it's not 99, it's not deserving of the title "precious."

... then make a Skirmish or Delve weapon?

Sure, it "invalidates" your old emp, but the time investment in those weapons isn't large. It doesn't matter if it took you years to build it by playing 10 minutes at a time once a week, the cumulative investment is pretty minimal (unless you're terrible).

greatest ever

As the owner of 2 almost 95 I am kinda pissed about it. But I will just stop the HMP trials and make a D weapon. But TBH, had I known anything earlier, I would have used Mr. Visa and bought gil instead of farming it and finished. HMP and cinder market sucks now.