JUST Upgrade Afterglows If 90s 95s Arent Included

Whats the going rate on HMP now? When I left last May they were around 100-120k per, even if they went up to 200k, whats the big deal? The 90 versions aren't worth addressing, if you can't do abyssea, its time to go.

(By the way, reading comprehension has nothing to do with knowing that you cant get crystals from non-exp yielding monsters. I didnt miss your flawed point,i read it and responded to it,you refuse to comprehend the answer.)

You are past ALL content besides delve apparently. What was the point in bitching over relics being usurped when new weapons from amazing NEW CONTENT(!) was released. I havent been sitting around "crying", "complaining", or "bitching" about my 85 Almace and Kannagi being replaced by new content weapons hundreds of damage greater than them both combined. I've been doing delve and contemplating what to do with sword and katana because NOTHING really compares to those two weaponskills (yes, :Shun and Requiescat are nice but they will NEVER replace :Hi and CDC.).

I and many others do not want instant gratification damage increases for 85-95 weapons (unlike people who want instant gratification from 99 REM updates), im saying that unlike the past upgrades that have been implemented SE is throwing away a mass bunch of code that shouldn't exist anymore by increasing only 99 REM weapons. Is it that hard to have a noticeable progression in weaponry that we already have present to be continued? Is it that hard to even notice that the damage increase in trials add up to the final weapon? Would it be game breaking or account canceling worthy to add 5-10 damage and 1-5 ACC/ATK on the weapons from 80-99 so that the actual game mechanics behind these weapons are reinforced? No? okay.

TL;DGAFIGAUFMREM/T: it is not a reward for not finishing the weapons it is however an increase through stages that has constantly been present in these weapons that justifies them being as powerful as they are and always have been. Or do we not remember having to go from a shitty 75 weapon with horrible damage/delay then getting ungodly damage/delay weapons?

down to about 60-80k

I don't expect a damage boost for my 85-90 emps either. Because they are piss easy to make, taking about days of soloing NMs to make. A 95 EMP holder I can see wanting a boost, due to it costing more for 1500 HMPs than making a relic.

And yes. The majority of REM 99 holders are beyond most endgame events, mainly due to the vast majority of Salvage+1 gear, some NNI gear, etc being obsolete.

With that said, as I stated earlier in the thread, unless REMs get so massive of a DMG boost that they are actually higher in DMG to Plasm weapons, I really don't foresee many people making brand new relics. They may 99 them, but not make from scratch. It's far easier and cheaper to get the weapon KI, buy with plasm, and then get the airilixer +1 off the AH.

because it's only used for rdm enspell damage on fights that you want to aim for the lowest D if this was removed they would upset the Red Mage Role in-


just kidding.

OP, please read. Dev view on R/M/E upgrades a year and some months ago.

Within the top of the first post, it was made quite clear only a few people would Afterglow, so there is so point in giving them extra advantage or disadvantage if the 99 weapon is Afterglow'd.

To my knowlegde, only two REM has been afterglowed, he BRD Mythic, and MNK Emp. Basically just a way to show off you have unlimited gil or a high credit card balance.

On Phoenix, there's an Afterglow Ryunohige, and something else, I forget what.

Why the hell do people constantly cry here when SE doesn't even look here? If you want to cry about things go to the FFXI forums so we can all make fun of you here.

Basically, Make a 99 and enjoy the benefits, or upgrade a plasm weapon. Either way stfu and stop putting bad ideas into the dev teams head.

There's a Kannagi on Ragnarok with afterglow.

There's a recent Afterglow Twashtar, so there's that, too.

The best pizza comes from a crust that's JUST become crispy.

You should take it out of the oven at that point.

See I don't get it, really the devs just lvld the playing field. Now you don't have to use your gimp lvl85 masamune.

I got a different gripe than this trivial crap that keeps getting posted.

I've not seen the sword that drops off of, Naakaul I believe, but I have seen the one that you can plasm farm for. It's butt fugly. It's like the oax swords. If I had a wish it would be for SE to actually make the weapons aesthetically pleasing.

Actual JSE weapons would have been nice, aside from SAM and NIN which, in essence, are more or less going to be specifically labeled with those jobs.

Maybe and actual middle eastern style sword for BLU, a more knightly sword for PLD, a more vikingesque GA for WAR, and would say scythe, but ahahahaha, no, maybe a more evil looking GS for DRK and so on.

The generic stats given via the paths are nice, no gripes there really, except it would've been nicer to maybe mix and match a bit more. Like one type of item for str, another for dex, etc etc. Cap out the total amount of points you can do and still be able to mix in the stats.

I understand there's a limit to which SE can arrange stuff, but a little more imagination shouldn't be too much to ask for.

It was said before, and I agree with it. I believe the 30k plasm weapons are supposed to look awful because they will be the common weapons in the Devs eyes. Its like they wanted to hit the reset button with Adoulin.

It's aint meant to be easy bruh... don't worry they'll find a way to supply the servers w/ sufficiant plates and cinder/dross.

This whole thread is a waste because "Afterglows" shouldn't even exist.

As someone mentioned before, one could argue that the legendary weapons (R/M/E) shouldn't even have existed period prior to the devs guiding the game into this new direction with a weapon treadmill.

That isn't a valid argument, because they did exist and are/were feasibly obtainable. "Afterglows" however, were/are not. I would also argue that their existence and the eased requirements to obtain them is a big part of what's kept FFXI afloat for so long.

Were*, and there isn't a trace of cogency in your argument

Don't usually Grammar Police, but that's pretty bad

The biggest mistake they ever made with REMs was making it so that in the last few years, REMs were accessible to just about any player with enough time on their hands. At 75 they weren't seen as being required even though they probably were still a lot ahead of the next best option (Well, depends on which one), because it required the mobilization of a really large linkshell, something that very few players had access to. The majority of their playerbase was using stuff like Senjuinrikio/Destroyers/Perdu Voulge/Hagun/Thalassocrat/etc, which had varying degrees of difficulty to obtain but I guarantee you not a single one of those would take a total of ~120 hours of your life to complete to 75 (Add another 50 hours to that for Marrows).

REMs got into this weird limbo stuck between a super-elite item and a casual farming x9000 item, and they left it as one of the biggest "events" in the game for like 2+ years, so REM weapons became "standard" and you get this nonsensical game where you're asked to go mind-numbingly farm something for 3 months straight before you're allowed to play the actual game.

Their intent with outdating REMs wasn't necessarily a bad one, but they failed to consider that they'd piss off their section of loyal players that stuck around for the last couple years of tepid content that had little to do but farm REMs for more REMs.

But, like Elliott mentioned, had RMs not been reduced in difficulty during the time of Abyssea onward (And made Es harder to get from the onset), would this game have survived during that period where content was few and far in-between? I think so, personally- it's not like it's impossible or even hard to kill Qilin/Pil/etc with a team of Dies Iraes/Brawny Adargas/etc, and there's still 12 other slots to fill. They wouldn't have gotten the same scale or reaction they did from Delve either- they'd still get those pissed elite players that spent all their time getting their REMs to 99, but it wouldn't be like 70% of the playerbase or whatever.

Basically how do you get half the server ready for much higher level content? You have to make it rain. Without that you would run into the same problem that casual players cannot jump in.

Now if you have a mage and a DD, your DD can get weapons to make it viable in short time.

The basis for the thread proves the saying "misery loves company".

Just to add a thought, I wonder how many people have actually completed content in this game. I'm not talking about lolAbyssea, but CoP, AMK, ASA, Zilart, ToAU, and WoTG. I'm still working on content as is. I enjoyed CoP, AMK, and Zilart. It may antiquated, gear may be all but useless now, but still, it's fun and you can use some of it to get better stuff down the line.

I've seen people running around with r/e/m (myself included) that have yet to complete everything. Did people forget that FFXI has a storyline and more than just gear?

Most of the mission lines give a really good piece of gear by the end so the ones that actually matter are completed by the majority of the playerbase (whether they actually read it is another story). TOAU and before had a couple really fun questlines that had basically nothing to gain but story, but WOTG/Abyssea had craptacular quests (the former I'm discounting the nation quests since those are basically also missions anyway, the latter gets more of a pass because it was marketed as a battle content addon anyway).

We'll see if they'll change that around in Adoulin.

Had a nice lol at this. Thank you.

I only enjoyed TOAU because of the Corsairs and Odin, the rest were crap, especially WOTG. If I were to ever come back to the game, (ie start over or acquire an account from someone) I would never do WOTG again. But yes before Abyssea really set in, almost everyone had their quests done.

What blasphemous nonsense are you talking about? A game that has a storyline? Please. If such a thing existed, wouldn't we be playing it? (I'm not being serious in any way here at all)