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By Lakshmi.Wardens 2012-04-03 20:30:10
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I've been away for maybe a year and a half. I'm trying to figure out what weapon would be best for my lvl 81 SAM. At the moment I have a Keitonotachi, Rindomaru, Hagun, and Soboro.

I was just talking with someone and they said finish the Keitonotachi.

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DMG:78 Delay:464 DMG+3 Tachi Goten:DMG+10% [Trial 1596]

My friend said finish it for tp bonus +100. Would anyone be able to point me in the right direction of how to accomplish that?
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-04-03 20:33:13
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Your long term goal would be masa, before that I'm not really sure what is easiest to make to start you off.

I think finish the 100? I'm not a sam and don't follow the threads much but I think people really enjoy that weapon.
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By Shiva.Galbir 2012-04-03 20:37:48
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First get 99 should only take a few hours can use Hagun for this.

Then start on this trial once it's finished just click the next trial. Do this till you get to this trial click Trial 2544. After 2544 just keep clicking the next trial. Finally when you come to this trial and click Trial 2545 and keep doing trials till you get to Tp+100 Gk.
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By Fenrir.Krazyrs 2012-04-03 20:38:34
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easiest GK to make is TP bonus and its a contender vs lv85 Masa
(note at that point its 1500 hmp > 90 masa)

Trial 1595: Tachi: Goten x 100
Trial 1596: Tachi: Jinpu x 200
Trial 1597: Tachi: Koki x 300 @ Birds
Trial 1598: Tachi: Kasha x 500 @ Vermin
Trial 2138: Tachi: Kasha Finishing Blow x 300 @ Beasts
Trial 2545: Any Great Katana weaponskill dealing 400 points of damage or more x 500 @ Amorphs
Trial 2978: Any Great Katana weaponskill dealing 400 points of damage or more x 500 @ Vermin
Trial 3441: Any Great Katana weaponskill dealing 400 points of damage or more x 500 @ Lizard

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By Asura.Kaisuko 2012-04-03 20:44:47
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Fenrir.Krazyrs said: »
easiest GK to make is TP bonus and its a contender vs lv85 Masa
(note at that point its 1500 hmp > 90 masa)

Trial 1595: Tachi: Goten x 100
Trial 1596: Tachi: Jinpu x 200
Trial 1597: Tachi: Koki x 300 @ Birds
Trial 1598: Tachi: Kasha x 500 @ Vermin
Trial 2138: Tachi: Kasha Finishing Blow x 300 @ Beasts
Trial 2545: Any Great Katana weaponskill dealing 400 points of damage or more x 500 @ Amorphs
Trial 2978: Any Great Katana weaponskill dealing 400 points of damage or more x 500 @ Vermin
Trial 3441: Any Great Katana weaponskill dealing 400 points of damage or more x 500 @ Lizard

I believe TP bonus GK beats 85 and is close to 90 Masa. And 90->95 is HMP, not 85->90.
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By Fupafighters 2012-04-03 20:56:05
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Asura.Kaisuko said: »
Fenrir.Krazyrs said: »
easiest GK to make is TP bonus and its a contender vs lv85 Masa
(note at that point its 1500 hmp > 90 masa)

Trial 1595: Tachi: Goten x 100
Trial 1596: Tachi: Jinpu x 200
Trial 1597: Tachi: Koki x 300 @ Birds
Trial 1598: Tachi: Kasha x 500 @ Vermin
Trial 2138: Tachi: Kasha Finishing Blow x 300 @ Beasts
Trial 2545: Any Great Katana weaponskill dealing 400 points of damage or more x 500 @ Amorphs
Trial 2978: Any Great Katana weaponskill dealing 400 points of damage or more x 500 @ Vermin
Trial 3441: Any Great Katana weaponskill dealing 400 points of damage or more x 500 @ Lizard

I believe TP bonus GK beats 85 and is close to 90 Masa. And 90->95 is HMP, not 85->90.
Nah it's not even close with the save tp fix now. Outside VW, fudo is your friend too, opens up some crazy double light SC's. And aftermath is nice for 2 handers. But if you want to be lazy, tp bonus is the way to go.
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2012-04-03 21:02:34
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Fupafighters said: »
Asura.Kaisuko said: »
Fenrir.Krazyrs said: »
easiest GK to make is TP bonus and its a contender vs lv85 Masa
(note at that point its 1500 hmp > 90 masa)

Trial 1595: Tachi: Goten x 100
Trial 1596: Tachi: Jinpu x 200
Trial 1597: Tachi: Koki x 300 @ Birds
Trial 1598: Tachi: Kasha x 500 @ Vermin
Trial 2138: Tachi: Kasha Finishing Blow x 300 @ Beasts
Trial 2545: Any Great Katana weaponskill dealing 400 points of damage or more x 500 @ Amorphs
Trial 2978: Any Great Katana weaponskill dealing 400 points of damage or more x 500 @ Vermin
Trial 3441: Any Great Katana weaponskill dealing 400 points of damage or more x 500 @ Lizard

I believe TP bonus GK beats 85 and is close to 90 Masa. And 90->95 is HMP, not 85->90.
Nah it's not even close with the save tp fix now. Outside VW, fudo is your friend too, opens up some crazy double light SC's. And aftermath is nice for 2 handers. But if you want to be lazy, tp bonus is the way to go.
What is considered "not even close"?
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By Shiva.Galbir 2012-04-03 21:04:10
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I wouldn't put tp bonus down so easy. It's beastly with Shoha.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-04-03 21:50:40
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99 Masamune > 99 Amano > 95 Masamune > 95 Amano > 90 Masamune >= 100 TP Bonus
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By Leviathan.Prototyp 2012-04-03 21:57:32
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Finish tp bonus, and work towards 95/99 amano or if you wanna reach for stars go for Kogarasumaru, annhilating any GK. Or go for lesser stars and make 99 Masa, both aren't particularly easy.

heres a chain of gk stongest to weakest, mythic is excluded as I'm not really sure where the lower levels of it would go, but make no mistake 99 kogarasumaru is top dog, maybe even 95 too.
(Chain is my opinion, others opinion will differ perhaps, but do not underestimate 30% WSdmg bonus from tp bonus gk)

99 masa < 99 amano < 95 masa < 95 amano < TP bonus < 90 masa < 85 masa < 90 amano
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By Asura.Ccl 2012-04-04 00:01:59
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For everyone saying 99 masamune > 99 amano, what event are you guys doing that you don't need accuracy or can't kaiten at 100%-110% ?

Legion/high tier vw/nyzle/adl are the only thing I do atm, aside ADL/old vw, I either need accuracy or can't abuse fudo 300tp Aftermath, so is it really better for anything higher than fodder mob/qilin lvl vw ?

I use motenten spreadsheet, I have amano 99 ahead when you can kaiten at 100 tp/keep am up or if you need accuracy, but maybe my Masamune 99 build aren't optimal ?

What would be Masamune 99 optimal build (excluding phos belt +1 for now cause that doesn't exist :() ?

I'm debating to make a 99 emp or not, but I feel like the game is moving toward high evasion stuff.
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2012-04-04 00:07:01
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Asura.Ccl said: »
For everyone saying 99 masamune > 99 amano, what event are you guys doing that you don't need accuracy or can't kaiten at 100%-110% ?

Legion/high tier vw/nyzle/adl are the only thing I do atm, aside ADL/old vw, I either need accuracy or can't abuse fudo 300tp Aftermath, so is it really better for anything higher than fodder mob/qilin lvl vw ?

I use motenten spreadsheet, I have amano 99 ahead when you can kaiten at 100 tp/keep am up or if you need accuracy, but maybe my Masamune 99 build aren't optimal ?

What would be Masamune 99 optimal build (excluding phos belt +1 for now cause that doesn't exist :() ?

I'm debating to make a 99 emp or not, but I feel like the game is moving toward high evasion stuff.
99amano beats 99masa when you're capped pdif. Least I'm pretty sure that's what was said in the Amano vs. Masa thread. >.>


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And Kaiten is far from useless. It's better than Fudo now with the innate 40% damage bonus on Amano 99.

At a guess, I'd say Masa 99 vs Amano 99 plays out more like this:

-Amano wins when acc matters
-Masa wins when acc doesn't matter, but pDIF is sufficiently low to justify using Shoha
-Amano wins when pDIF is high enough to exploit Kaiten
Isn't justified, but sounds reasonable enough that I wouldn't bother making emp if you already have amano.
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By Fupafighters 2012-04-04 00:18:34
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Asura.Ccl said: »
For everyone saying 99 masamune > 99 amano, what event are you guys doing that you don't need accuracy or can't kaiten at 100%-110% ?

Legion/high tier vw/nyzle/adl are the only thing I do atm, aside ADL/old vw, I either need accuracy or can't abuse fudo 300tp Aftermath, so is it really better for anything higher than fodder mob/qilin lvl vw ?

I use motenten spreadsheet, I have amano 99 ahead when you can kaiten at 100 tp/keep am up or if you need accuracy, but maybe my Masamune 99 build aren't optimal ?

What would be Masamune 99 optimal build (excluding phos belt +1 for now cause that doesn't exist :() ?

I'm debating to make a 99 emp or not, but I feel like the game is moving toward high evasion stuff.
Amano is getting cheaper and cheaper. And it is basically identical to masa 90. Only issue is 95-99 amano >.< And yes, for now, content seems to be evasion heavy. But atleast the ws gear we are getting is leaning toward acc too
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By Asura.Ccl 2012-04-04 00:21:13
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Okay, that's pretty much what I think too, was just wondering cause there was a lot of masamune 99 > amano 99 in this thread so was curious/confused.

tyvm for the clarification.

edit: yeah I do have amano 99 and I've a lot of parse whith like 88-90% acc on morta/Kala (loldispel :<)
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2012-04-04 00:22:06
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Fupafighters said: »
Asura.Ccl said: »
For everyone saying 99 masamune > 99 amano, what event are you guys doing that you don't need accuracy or can't kaiten at 100%-110% ?

Legion/high tier vw/nyzle/adl are the only thing I do atm, aside ADL/old vw, I either need accuracy or can't abuse fudo 300tp Aftermath, so is it really better for anything higher than fodder mob/qilin lvl vw ?

I use motenten spreadsheet, I have amano 99 ahead when you can kaiten at 100 tp/keep am up or if you need accuracy, but maybe my Masamune 99 build aren't optimal ?

What would be Masamune 99 optimal build (excluding phos belt +1 for now cause that doesn't exist :() ?

I'm debating to make a 99 emp or not, but I feel like the game is moving toward high evasion stuff.
Amano is getting cheaper and cheaper. And it is basically identical to masa 90. Only issue is 95-99 amano >.< And yes, for now, content seems to be evasion heavy. But atleast the ws gear we are getting is leaning toward acc too
Hardly relevant for Kaiten/Fudo though. lol Think he meant acc from amano for TP.
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By Fupafighters 2012-04-04 00:37:55
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There are so few situations that amano or masamune will be "superior" to eachother. So i recommend making the one that you think you will enjoy more. I personally like how badass masamune looks and the whistle noise when i fudo lol.
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-04-04 01:34:19
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masamune > amano, tons of other threads say so.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2012-04-04 01:40:18
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Way to ignore any sort of discussion in this thread.

***is situational, get whichever one you want / is more realistic to obtain.
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By Shiva.Galbir 2012-04-04 01:45:32
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Shiva.Schatzie said: »
Masamune > Amano when acc capped and pDif uncapped, tons of other threads say so.
Ftfy.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-04-04 02:11:38
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The accuracy on Amano is hugely relevant in T6/+ and Legion, it's very nice in those situations.
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By Ragnarok.Daffel 2012-04-04 07:00:18
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Jesus Christ not this again.
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By Bismarck.Alana 2012-04-04 07:33:55
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-04-04 07:45:38
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Shiva.Schatzie said: »
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By Ragnarok.Daffel 2012-04-04 10:42:03
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Was actually tempted to go through everything but I'm way to lazy and hungover at the moment and it would be a *** massive post. Taking in so many different aspects my head would probably explode.

Asura.Kaisuko said: »
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And Kaiten is far from useless. It's better than Fudo now with the innate 40% damage bonus on Amano 99.

At a guess, I'd say Masa 99 vs Amano 99 plays out more like this:

-Amano wins when acc matters
-Masa wins when acc doesn't matter, but pDIF is sufficiently low to justify using Shoha
-Amano wins when pDIF is high enough to exploit Kaiten
Isn't justified, but sounds reasonable enough that I wouldn't bother making emp if you already have amano.

This is a pretty much spot on by nightfye but I thought one point was missed that people brought up in that thread also. That is tp overflow when pDIF is high enough to be using fudo/kaiten kaiten wins at exactly 100tp but as soon as it goes over tips back towards masa.

So hagakure, tp bonus moonshade and general overflow all favor masa. This would pull it damn close to amano given the amount tp bonus+ gear now available or tip it just ahead.
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2012-04-04 13:58:43
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Ragnarok.Daffel said: »
Was actually tempted to go through everything but I'm way to lazy and hungover at the moment and it would be a *** massive post. Taking in so many different aspects my head would probably explode.

Asura.Kaisuko said: »
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And Kaiten is far from useless. It's better than Fudo now with the innate 40% damage bonus on Amano 99.

At a guess, I'd say Masa 99 vs Amano 99 plays out more like this:

-Amano wins when acc matters
-Masa wins when acc doesn't matter, but pDIF is sufficiently low to justify using Shoha
-Amano wins when pDIF is high enough to exploit Kaiten
Isn't justified, but sounds reasonable enough that I wouldn't bother making emp if you already have amano.

This is a pretty much spot on by nightfye but I thought one point was missed that people brought up in that thread also. That is tp overflow when pDIF is high enough to be using fudo/kaiten kaiten wins at exactly 100tp but as soon as it goes over tips back towards masa.

So hagakure, tp bonus moonshade and general overflow all favor masa. This would pull it damn close to amano given the amount tp bonus+ gear now available or tip it just ahead.

You'll never ws at at exactly 100% if you have moonshade, so would that mean Kaiten never wins?
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By Fupafighters 2012-04-04 14:02:45
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What really grinds my gears is when people use regain moonshade on samurai and don't even fill the rest of their slots with multi hit crap or acc....and that's 95% of people on this server for all their DD jobs lol.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-04-04 14:17:29
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Why is there so much discussion of amano vs masa in Wardens thread? I don't think he's going to be making a level 99 relic or empy anytime soon o.o;
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2012-04-04 14:33:36
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Siren.Kalilla said: »
Why is there so much discussion of amano vs masa in Wardens thread? I don't think he's going to be making a level 99 relic or empy anytime soon o.o;
Maybe not 99, but 90 masa is extremely easy to get and amano just takes a bit of time. So it can be considered when asking about what weapon to use on sam.
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By Pandemonium.Anookulchandra 2012-04-04 14:36:31
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So... Hagun isn't good any more? Damn.. and here I've been doing Antilions in Sheeps's Clothing all this time for nothing.
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By Ragnarok.Daffel 2012-04-04 16:37:58
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Asura.Kaisuko said: »
Ragnarok.Daffel said: »
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You'll never ws at at exactly 100% if you have moonshade, so would that mean Kaiten never wins?

Partly what makes that earring so broken for damage increases with tp WSs. All my fudo's are at 125%+ which would give fudo an edge in the 99 kaiten/fudo debate but not sure if its enough alone to beat the additional +15% kaiten damage amano recieves on the 99 ; ;.

Siren.Kalilla said: »
Why is there so much discussion of amano vs masa in Wardens thread? I don't think he's going to be making a level 99 relic or empy anytime soon o.o;

Because it surfaces in almost every SAM thread =|
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