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 Seraph.Gilhaven
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By Seraph.Gilhaven 2012-02-17 23:33:28
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First off I went back thru the sam forums and couldnt find any threads hinting at unkai kabuto. Now..i've been playing sam off/on for about 2 yrs now and was always sure that Seigan can counter w/o TE being up...so when wiki says "gives a chance to counter w/o TE being up" really confused me. Did something get lost in the translation? How does this enhance seigan?
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By Odin.Minefield 2012-02-17 23:40:58
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It basically gives you a minor chance to Counter with Seigan up, with(even though you do already with TE) and without.
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By Seraph.Gilhaven 2012-02-17 23:43:01
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but thats what I dont get...i already have the chance to counter w/o TE....nothing is really enhanced according to the wiki description. If I was still wearing my walmart hat I'd still be able to counter w/o TE and only Seigan.
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By Odin.Sawtelle 2012-02-17 23:50:55
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If you are countering w/o wearing the kabuto you need to stop subbing mnk.
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By Asura.Patriclis 2012-02-17 23:53:35
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When these counters occur are you using gnarled horn atma? that gives some counter
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By Seraph.Gilhaven 2012-02-17 23:54:03
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i'm usually /dnc for ease of soloing dolls for skilling up and have always gotten counters when TE is down..not alot mind you but enuf to not call this an enhancement :D
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By Seraph.Gilhaven 2012-02-17 23:55:10
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Asura.Patriclis said: »
When these counters occur are you using gnarled horn atma? that gives some counter


No...I think im using razed ruin, mounted champion and something else taht eludes me atm..but I know its not GH. But even outside abyssea I've gotten counters w/o TE up.
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By Ragnarok.Peanriri 2012-02-18 00:01:00
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Didn't that semi-recent Zanshin update make it so you can counter during Seigan without Third Eye active?
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By Asura.Fondue 2012-02-18 00:24:23
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Seigan allows Zanshin-related Counters without Unkai Kabuto +1/+2 or Third Eye
Appears to occur at a low rate (perhaps Zanshin rateĆ·4)

kabuto+2:
Enhances Seigan gives ~10% Counter rate, even when Third Eye is not active.


copy/paste off bg wiki

you can definitely counter without third eye up and without kabuto on
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By Odin.Sawtelle 2012-02-18 00:34:09
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Interesting, I never knew.
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By Phoenix.Eckeward 2012-02-18 06:36:28
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I think it used to be that Seigan did nothing unless you had Third Eye up. (except Fast Cast-)

Then with Abyssea and the introduction of AF3+2 we got the hat to allow you to counter with Seigan, even when TE is down.

Then, we got a SAM update:
Hasso - you can now Zanshin. (on melee swings)
Seigan - you can now counter. (without TE)

Seraph.Gilhaven said: »
...so when wiki says "gives a chance to counter w/o TE being up" really confused me.
Basically wiki's refering to the time before the Seigan update where you could only counter with TE up.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-02-18 10:22:01
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You could always counter with Seigan. It was a joke before that if you countered you would lose 3rd eye the very next swing. This is all way way before Abyssea content.
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