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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-08-05 22:38:15
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Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
his justification for the belt is the conserve tp, which while it won't shave a hit off your -hit build, it does count as excess tp for the upcoming weapon skill (and in the case of fudo, picture it as about 60% of the power of the tp bonus moonshade earring, aka 6-7 more str-worth in power, plus the .1 fTP)

to me, the activation rate on conserve tp is too far in-between for it to outperform beir, but, they sure are a lot closer when you account that the sune-ate have conserve tp as well, resulting in a 13% chance of it activating i suppose

keep in mind as well, by nature i take things in from the amano perspective, which (for now? if they adjust relics further), that additional tp does absolutely nothing for me, though, 3.0 fTP is low enough to where a .1 addition would outperform 9 str and the 6(.75) atk that comes along with it
also, /drg for the conserve tp trait! /drg is back! you heard it here first folks!
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-08-05 22:39:42
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ddddddddderp

/drg's been crying itself to sleep in the closet ever since bullwhip belt came out ;-;
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-08-05 22:40:19
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Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
ddddddddderp

/drg's been crying itself to sleep in the closet ever since bullwhip belt came out ;-;
BUT THE CONSERVE TP
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-08-05 22:42:29
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you're a conserve tp

how does it feel being worth 6-7 more str on fudo?
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-08-05 22:43:48
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-08-05 22:45:22
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i just wanted to let you know that I WOULD TOTALLY +1 YOUR POST IF I COULD
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By Ragnarok.Akkarinn 2011-08-07 03:44:18
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Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
his justification for the belt is the conserve tp, which while it won't shave a hit off your -hit build, it does count as excess tp for the upcoming weapon skill (and in the case of fudo, picture it as about 60% of the power of the tp bonus moonshade earring, aka 6-7 more str-worth in power, plus the .1 fTP)

to me, the activation rate on conserve tp is too far in-between for it to outperform beir, but, they sure are a lot closer when you also account that the sune-ate have conserve tp as well, resulting in a 13% chance of it activating i suppose

keep in mind as well, by nature i take things in from the amano perspective, which (for now? if they adjust relics further), that additional tp does absolutely nothing for me, though, 3.0 fTP is low enough to where a .1 addition would outperform 9 str and the 6(.75) atk that comes along with it, or at least i'm pretty damn sure of it

Yeah, Ele Belt/Torque combo for Kaiten, and in fact most non-lawl Relic WSs, is the best way to go. Overall .2fTP adjustment beats pretty much any combination of gear in those slots.
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By Asura.Loneshadow 2011-08-07 03:51:49
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Soo... For Fudo, Snow gorget/belt or Ire+1/Beir+1?
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-08-07 03:57:30
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to the above (loneshadow), i'd go with elemental gorget/belt for simplicities' sake, since they're free, and there isn't too much a difference between the two; we've still got another nine levels-worth of gear to be introduced to (95 being right around the corner as well)
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-08-07 06:50:07
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Chill
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By Ragnarok.Akkarinn 2011-08-07 06:52:05
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Krizz, that was heated discussion, I'm not taking his face off. Can I post that again? I mean we're here to share ideas aren't we?

Evidently my idea is wrong, I'd like input as to why that is?

I'll "reword" and repost, cools?
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-08-07 06:54:27
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Ragnarok.Akkarinn said:
Krizz, that was heated discussion, I'm not taking his face off. Can I post that again? I mean we're here to share ideas aren't we?

Evidently my idea is wrong, I'd like input as to why that is?

I'll "reword" and repost, cools?
I edited his post so drop it.
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By Ragnarok.Tuvae 2011-08-07 07:00:53
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Aw i always miss the good stuff.
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By Ragnarok.Akkarinn 2011-08-07 07:06:38
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Damage is done, deleting his post without defense is negligable. So whatever.
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By Ragnarok.Tuvae 2011-08-07 07:08:47
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Doesnt matter anyway, your never on sam >.>
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By Ragnarok.Akkarinn 2011-08-07 07:11:24
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Ragnarok.Tuvae said:
Doesnt matter anyway, your never on sam >.>

Haha, how are you getting on anyway Mr. Career DRK?! Oh wait...Mhaurahahaha!
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By Ragnarok.Tuvae 2011-08-07 07:15:32
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You need more acc for your WS set. Tachi: Whiff can do slightly better than the regular numbers you put out. But then, shoulder tackle generally does more.
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By Ragnarok.Akkarinn 2011-08-07 07:18:10
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Maybe I should be using Virtuoso Belt instead of Goading? Or maybe Anguines? That would fix that problem.
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-08-07 13:31:00
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-08-07 13:37:31
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Pandemonium.Ironguy said:
Be nice.
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By Asura.Dajociont 2011-08-07 13:38:26
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YEAH IRON SLOW YOUR ROLL
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By Ragnarok.Akkarinn 2011-08-08 09:21:58
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Pandemonium.Ironguy said:


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Check Post-Kaiten set, it's in a little note to the side. In English, plain.

Perfectly happy to sacrifice 2% Haste until I get my first 100TP, bearing in mind a true 5-hit, and keep 2% Double Attack full time. The 2% Haste that, as explained in my set, I get back after my first Kaiten and there after. But then that's me.

I guess 2% Double Attack isn't worth that...

Edit: Ideally would want Ganesha's Mala in place of Justice Post-Kaiten, but I've yet to see one.
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-08-08 16:40:40
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Ragnarok.Akkarinn said:
I guess 2% Double Attack isn't worth that.

it isn't worth that when you should be swapping in zelus tiara over unkai kabuto +2 during kaiten aftermath for 1.56% haste instead of the laughable 2% double attack you're justifying
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By Ragnarok.Akkarinn 2011-08-08 17:19:51
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I should? Not a dictatorship here, it's a discussion. Try Korea, I heard they run that way.

Laughable? Ok, debatable maybe - laughable, no. Show me the math and the testing to show that 1.56% haste vs. 2% Double Attack, in this given situation, is "laughable". Will 1.56% Haste beat it, ,maybe. By a "laughable" margain...doubt it. Considering Double Attack, Zanshin (which I see you have little of in your TP set) & Hassoshin Procs.

There are more things to consider here too on the topic of Tiara/Unkai swaps. Set Procs? Head+Body+Legs higher chance than simply Body+Legs. Given the changes they've made to Zanshin it IS worth it.

So what? I'm not capped hasted. Boo-frickin-hoo. 22% Haste Pre-Kaiten, 24% Post. I don't even have a Z-Tiara. I have balance of Haste, Double Attack, Zanshin & set pieces for potential procs. So what, I don't do it your way, that makes me stupid? If so, troll away. Dictate away, for I care not.
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-08-08 17:22:35
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lol
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-08-08 17:23:22
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/sigh
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By Cerberus.Kelhor 2011-08-08 17:36:05
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Why haste matters

Somewhat back to the topic: Ironguy, I just finished my vnm stage for masa, but my moonshade is used by other (mage) jobs. How bad is that going to suck? Going to start doing the math on sets, but was curious if you had anything for that sort of situation.
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