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Amano still worth it?
Phoenix.Uzugami
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By Phoenix.Uzugami 2010-10-15 07:20:26
Been debating atm, I have stage3 gkt atm (lolstage3) about half way done with stage4 (Have Attestation of Decisiveness and Necropsyche already, just missing fragment). But with Masamune out and all, is it even worth finishing/continuing?
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2010-10-15 07:34:00
Only reasons not to finish Amano are:
1. you don't have the gil for the currency,
2. you don't want to grind the Magian Trials required to bump the relic from its lvl 75 version up to the newer lvl 85 version, or
3. you don't really want the weapon in the first place.
Comparing a Relic weapon to an Empyrean weapon is comparing apples to oranges.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-10-15 07:44:18
Bismarck.Elanabelle said: Only reasons not to finish Amano are:
1. you don't have the gil for the currency,
2. you don't want to grind the Magian Trials required to bump the relic from its lvl 75 version up to the newer lvl 85 version, or
3. you don't really want the weapon in the first place.
Comparing a Relic weapon to an Empyrean weapon is comparing apples to oranges. Not really. It's easy to compare which you can do more damage with, lol.
Massamune beats the ***out of Amano and its' not like the drain on Cata, where using amano would be good for a tanking scenario wep or something of the sort, either.
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By BorealisV2 2010-10-15 07:49:03
If you're a SAM main I'd say it's still worth it, especially if you're that far in. Then again I'd go for Masamune aswell >.> I r SAM crazy.
As far as I can tell Masamune beats Amano hands down, the weapon skill is better, the aftermath is better (assuming you manage to 5 hit both >.>), and Masamune just looks *** win.
My advice: get both. :D
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-10-15 07:52:13
Stage 3 isn't really "That far in". As far as a relic goes, that's almost no progress at all.
For Amano, you need 178 "100" pieces of different currencies.
Stage 3 is 18 100s.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-10-15 07:53:50
Half way done with Stage 4 though.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-10-15 07:56:12
Yea, but at that point you're not locked in. If he's traded in currency, only locked into stage 3 losswise. (and even then, that's still only 48/178(accounted 30 100s for halfway into stage 4), still not much in the big picture.
Even taking 30 coins off the total if you borrow them
48/148, less than 1/3 of the way
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-10-15 07:56:57
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Yea, but at that point you're not locked in. If he's traded in currency, only locked into stage 3 losswise. (and even then, that's still only 48/178, still not much in the big picture.
I suppose, are any relics even worth it anymore? Spharai are I heard, but that's about it.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-10-15 07:57:38
Spharai get owned pretty bad by Vereth
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-10-15 08:00:04
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Spharai get owned pretty bad by Vereth
Damn, I didn't know that. Well G.horn would still be semi worth it, not that it's worth the currency any more imo.
Hopefully they'll actually make relics good again one day
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-10-15 08:01:56
For math purposes, I had Kine just assume Victory Smite > Asuran, since we don't know the exact numbers to get correct calculations and it still came out 5-8% ahead. In reality, Victory smite crushes the *** out of asuran from the screenies I've seen. Especially w/ crit atma in abyssea, I've seen screens of 3k+ (it's a crit based ws)
By BorealisV2 2010-10-15 08:02:22
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Stage 3 isn't really "That far in". As far as a relic goes, that's almost no progress at all.
For Amano, you need 178 "100" pieces of different currencies.
Stage 3 is 18 100s.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-10-15 08:02:50
BorealisV2 said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Stage 3 isn't really "That far in". As far as a relic goes, that's almost no progress at all.
For Amano, you need 178 "100" pieces of different currencies.
Stage 3 is 18 100s.
k yup
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-10-15 08:04:04
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: For math purposes, I had Kine just assume Victory Smite > Asuran, since we don't know the exact numbers to get correct calculations and it still came out 5-8% ahead. In reality, Victory smite crushes the *** out of asuran from the screenies I've seen. Especially w/ crit atma in abyssea, I've seen screens of 3k+ (it's a crit based ws)
Holy ***, MNK seriously jumped in power since I was last playing then lol.
What's best to stack with V.smite? I mean a certain amount of accuracy, but after that?
By BorealisV2 2010-10-15 08:04:30
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: BorealisV2 said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Stage 3 isn't really "That far in". As far as a relic goes, that's almost no progress at all.
For Amano, you need 178 "100" pieces of different currencies.
Stage 3 is 18 100s.
k yup
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-10-15 08:04:50
Not sure. Only know of two people with the WS and neither of them have done anything towards proper testing.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-10-15 08:05:06
BorealisV2 said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: BorealisV2 said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Stage 3 isn't really "That far in". As far as a relic goes, that's almost no progress at all.
For Amano, you need 178 "100" pieces of different currencies.
Stage 3 is 18 100s.
k yup
k yuppy kay
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By BorealisV2 2010-10-15 08:05:47
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: BorealisV2 said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: BorealisV2 said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Stage 3 isn't really "That far in". As far as a relic goes, that's almost no progress at all.
For Amano, you need 178 "100" pieces of different currencies.
Stage 3 is 18 100s.
k yup
k yuppy kay
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By Phoenix.Uzugami 2010-10-15 08:18:11
Yeah, stage 3 is nothing really, was just curious if I should *bother* with continuing with it when Masamune is Somewhat easy to obtain and is better (I can tribox the NMs) Or I can try finding a seller for the items if needed (Would be cheaper even still) and been hearing that Fudo wipes the floor with Kaiten in terms of pure damage
By BorealisV2 2010-10-15 08:24:30
Phoenix.Uzugami said: Yeah, stage 3 is nothing really, was just curious if I should *bother* with continuing with it when Masamune is Somewhat easy to obtain and is better (I can tribox the NMs) Or I can try finding a seller for the items if needed (Would be cheaper even still) and been hearing that Fudo wipes the floor with Kaiten in terms of pure damage
Yeah, Fudo does seem to be a more powerful Kaiten. As far as I can tell it needs a lot of attack, like Kaiten, to be of use. I have a decent WS set for Fudo and on defensive mobs it beats Gekko by a small amount, but as soon as you enter abyssea or fight something that has ~average defense you'll see the 2.5k+ Fudos flying. ***'s fun.
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2010-10-15 08:39:25
>mfw i completed amano trials in a month straight
>mfw i found out masamune was that much better
HERE I COME, MASAMUNE
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By Asura.Natenn 2010-10-15 09:15:01
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-10-15 09:15:17
Relics will be crushed pretty hard soon enough if they don't bring out some better trials, +D and +acc/atk is just *** (for 2handers at least). All horn really does at this point is save inventory :(
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2010-10-15 09:20:44
Asura.Natenn said: NICE BEETLE LEGGINGS
aw why ty ^_^
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By Bahamut.Kymira 2010-10-15 09:29:20
Shiva.Flionheart said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Yea, but at that point you're not locked in. If he's traded in currency, only locked into stage 3 losswise. (and even then, that's still only 48/178, still not much in the big picture.
I suppose, are any relics even worth it anymore? Spharai are I heard, but that's about it. Ghorn.
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-10-15 09:32:16
Asking if a relic is still worth it is just asking for a flame thread.
1. Relics will always be in the top tier of weapon, maybe not always the best but still good.
2. If you bot or you enjoy being bored out of your *** mind doing trials then go for it.
3. Amano was always one of the worst relics to make in terms of improvement over the next best weapon. Amano is very strong but not worlds apart from from other trial GKT like apoc was tredecim/perdu or youchi is from Ebow. I think you'll be happier with masa.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-10-15 09:33:11
Hard cap in skill for march was found, and other +3 instruments were added. It's really only giving +1 ballad now (and we already have infinite MP in abyssea), so it's needing an update now too.
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By Bahamut.Kymira 2010-10-15 09:33:43
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Relics will be crushed pretty hard soon enough if they don't bring out some better trials, +D and +acc/atk is just *** (for 2handers at least). All horn really does at this point is save inventory :( Can't beat it, really.
Not only can it do the same, and sometimes even more, than your other horns do, which can save you 6-7 inventory slots, you're also getting the singing and wind skill from it.
Can't beat it.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-10-15 09:34:16
Bahamut.Kymira said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Yea, but at that point you're not locked in. If he's traded in currency, only locked into stage 3 losswise. (and even then, that's still only 48/178, still not much in the big picture.
I suppose, are any relics even worth it anymore? Spharai are I heard, but that's about it. Ghorn. Meh, I wouldn't bother with the G.horn anymore, it's main purpose was a ballad instrument, and now you can almost get the same in terms of other gear lol.
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Been debating atm, I have stage3 gkt atm (lolstage3) about half way done with stage4 (Have Attestation of Decisiveness and Necropsyche already, just missing fragment). But with Masamune out and all, is it even worth finishing/continuing?
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