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 Alexander.Garlend
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By Alexander.Garlend 2010-07-24 09:45:28
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I say if you like Soboro then use it. If you like kagun then use it. Go with your choice not stats. :P
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By Odin.Sinharvest 2010-07-24 09:50:34
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Alexander.Garlend said:
I say if you like Soboro then use it. If you like kagun then use it. Go with your choice not stats. :P

Please don't say things like that. =/
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2010-07-24 09:52:40
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My eyes have been opened... everyone bust out the denali caps and full af!
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By Leviathan.Catnipthief 2010-07-24 09:54:22
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Leviathan.Draylo said:
My eyes have been opened... everyone bust out the denali caps and full af!


THF FIRST?
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 Valefor.Argettio
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-07-24 15:23:39
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Leviathan.Draylo said:
Just people spouting ***they read off forums with no further knowledge to back it up.

Which bit do you doubt?

* Soboro being able to match other GKT?
* Pole arm beating soboro?
* OAT GKT beats soboro?

Can provide proof for any of the above, but cba to prove it all.
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By Odin.Chazzyphizzle 2010-07-24 15:43:02
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Pretty sure he's talking about the OP.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-07-24 15:52:02
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I love the way the OP looks like an idiot now.
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-07-24 16:15:40
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Odin.Chazzyphizzle said:
Pretty sure he's talking about the OP.

Ahhhh fair enough, must of got the wrong end of the stick.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-07-24 16:28:43
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Alexander.Garlend said:
I say if you like Soboro then use it. If you like kagun then use it. Go with your choice not stats. :P

kaguun?
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By Asura.Xenophire 2010-07-24 16:38:19
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tl;dr version?
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By Caitsith.Linear 2010-07-24 16:42:41
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Asura.Xenophire said:
tl;dr version?

OP tried to embarrass some guy. I did math that proved the OP wrong. OPs thread failed.

The End~ :D
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By Diabolos.Daddyx 2010-07-24 17:13:45
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Soboro is great for /dnc, and it's awesome for /rng.. I skilled the majority of my parry on sam/rng in dynamis, throwing sidewinders out left and right. But as far as /drg goes.. it's fun, yes, but it's also kinda like riding a bike with training wheels. Get your timing down for your self sc's with it, for sure.. but then move to a different GKT and you'll see a lot more damage on those self skillchains. Plus it's a little more gratifying when you pull off a 3 step light every time you meditate (4-step if sekkanoki is up) with a heavier GKT :D Just sayin.. I was dependent on soboro for my sam/drg setup for a long time, and was happy to see I could still pull it off w/ hagun.
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-07-24 17:17:52
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sooo, where's the hagun bandwagon when you need it? lol

6 months ago half the ffxiah population would have jumped in this thread and showed all kinds of math showing how hagun is superior to everything but amano

Where are all of you now?

Surely just because there's some new content added in game, it shouldnt mean that the old math you all preached for so long is invalid and wrong all of a sudden?

Edit: rate me down huh? Damn, you really got me there.

Just check every damn sam/hagun/soboro thread, every GK thread or sam equip request thread on this site.

The "math pro's" of ffxiah have proven a bazillion times that hagun > soboro unless /rng. What have changed?

I'm not one of those math nerds, so im not gonna do it. I'm also not the person who cares really. I just think its funny that the whole "Hagun or gtfo!" group seems to have all dissapeared all of a sudden.

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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-07-24 17:34:09
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Hagun beats soboro in situation where cratio boost is needed.

Hagun is beaten by 2-3 GKT where cratio boost is needed.

Soboro beats hagun where cratio boost isn't needed.

Polearm beats soboro when cratio isn't needed.

So hagun is never the best weapon any more, but neither is soboro. Just soboro is easier to get that a decent polearm build.
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By Ramuh.Yarly 2010-07-26 19:18:05
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Caitsith.Linear said:
Asura.Xenophire said:
tl;dr version?

OP tried to embarrass some guy. I did math that proved the OP wrong. OPs thread failed.

The End~ :D

Oh you must be so proud of yourself!

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By Ifrit.Zibo 2010-08-13 03:51:04
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I love how Linear's calcuatlons completely disregard the fact that the majority of the time you use a Soboro, you don't ws at 100tp due to a DA/TA when you only need 1/2 swings to reach 100 tp respectively. This means it is not a direct 1.9 increase. Ofcourse the faster you swing as haste is added, the tougher it is to ws at exactly 100 tp. Also... I think the type of sam that weaponskills in "130 str" is exactly the type of sam that thinks soboro is useful outside of Yoichi and /dnc.
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By Ifrit.Vextra 2010-08-13 03:55:10
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Ifrit.Zibo said:
I love how Linear's calcuatlons completely disregard the fact that the majority of the time you use a Soboro, you don't ws at 100tp due to a DA/TA when you only need 1/2 swings to reach 100 tp respectively. This means it is not a direct 1.9 increase. Ofcourse the faster you swing as haste is added, the tougher it is to ws at exactly 100 tp. Also... I think the type of sam that weaponskills in "130 str" is exactly the type of sam that thinks soboro is useful outside of Yoichi and /dnc.

/rng sidewinder spam for fun duh lol
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By Ifrit.Zibo 2010-08-13 04:01:21
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Sadly... that makes more sense then most of what has been said here.