Being /DNC at level 80 is great!
You can now use your steps to reverse flourish.
and with each step you can get 12TP back
so with the total steps you can have (5) x 12Tp = 60Tp
just like a natural DNC.
Think of it as insurance if you need that last tick to WS
Anyway, by this being an added factor to SAM this makes Meikyo Shisui (Light) easily obtained w/o usage.
I just wanted to point this out. This goes for any job /DNC btw..but I feel that SAMs benefit from it most since we can now basically hold TP.
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Samurai / Dancer at 80 cap
yo dawg u look rugged with that cap and ur middle finger erect:D
P.S. - SAM/DNC FTW!
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Quote: so with the total steps you can have (5) x 12Tp = 60Tp just like a natural DNC. Except that dnc gets two finishing moves per step and /dnc only gets one, so you're still getting much less tp (since you're spending more to get the same return) Reverse flourish actually just reimburses you for your steps. In terms of tp/time, you don't gain anything, you actually lose TP
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True but i'm stating the reverse flourish of getting 60 TP back.
And how are you losing TP?
Steps cost 10TP @ 5 steps you get 60TP back. Katalsar said: And how are you losing TP? Steps cost 10TP @ 5 steps you get 60TP back. Because you lose out on an attack or two with the step animations, reverse flourish for /DNC really is the definition of counter-productive. I understand about missing an attack or two.
What i'm trying to say is you can use this to get a Light SC off w/ MS. So its like a storage of you TP just in case. Wouldn't it benefit it some cases? Katalsar said: And how are you losing TP? Steps cost 10TP @ 5 steps you get 60TP back. So you spend 50 tp and get 60 tp, minimum 6hit on sam is 16.7/hit. Depending on your haste (solo) you'll lose 1-2 attack rounds (if you are hasted marched or ect, then you'll lose more) in 12 seconds. So you gain 10 tp, and lose 16.7-33.4, which totals you at 10-16.7 or 10-33.4, for a grand total of either -6.7tp or -23.4 TP Only advantage I see for SAM is the capability to maybe pull off a solo Light with Reverse Flourish.. But again, that would be situational at best for big fights where you build TP beforehand... In general Reverse Flourish doesn't really give SAM much.
Katalsar said: I understand about missing an attack or two. What i'm trying to say is you can use this to get a Light SC off w/ MS. So its like a storage of you TP just in case. Wouldn't it benefit it some cases? Geez i didn't look at that way. In a way your right about losing TP but RF can be useful.
I just like the fact that i could easily get of a light SC. Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Katalsar said: I understand about missing an attack or two. What i'm trying to say is you can use this to get a Light SC off w/ MS. So its like a storage of you TP just in case. Wouldn't it benefit it some cases? That is a good point actually, but at the same time if you want to solo something quickly, prepping yourself for it beforehand wouldn't hurt. You can get 5 steps.
get 200 TP Sekkanoki > YUKI > meditate > Gekko > RF and have 100%TP immediately then sengikori > Kasha. Only actually worth it if you save them up before a fight, if not use stutter step and violent flourish for free stuns every 20 sec and that will give you more tp per step (what ever your tp from a melee attack is) so lets say you get 16tp per hit (random number doesnt actually meen anything) you gain that 10tp back +6 so 80 total + the stun effect assuming your stutter steping. Also reverse flourish goes 10 > 21 > 33 > 46 > 60 not 12 per FM
(i havnt hit 80 yet so this is assuming violent flourish isnt epic gimped as sub) Don't get Violent Flourish at /DNC40
aww damn its 45 XD was looking forward to that move too... oh well next update
hm.... safer to say, SAM/DNC got TP pool of 360%? =P
lol basically
Katalsar said: I understand about missing an attack or two. What i'm trying to say is you can use this to get a Light SC off w/ MS. So its like a storage of you TP just in case. Wouldn't it benefit it some cases? Man, times sure have changed. If you can't solo light YGK without 2 hr or soboro, you have some work to do. Wth are you talking about?
Dude its easy to do w/ SS... w/o you need haste w/ sTP setup Katalsar said: Wth are you talking about? Dude its easy to do w/ SS... w/o you need haste w/ sTP setup By me posting this I was stating that reverse flourish makes it much easier to create light solo.
This is w/o haste, no march, no sTP gear, and a hagun. Katalsar said: By me posting this I was stating that reverse flourish makes it much easier to create light solo. This is w/o haste, no march, no sTP gear, and a hagun. Yes, it'll be a lot easier for you to get a Light off, especially useful in campaign, which is where most SAM will be /dnc in anyway. Yes i totally agree with you ^^
can like murder a Campaign mob quickly with this.
Shiva.Ravager said: Katalsar said: And how are you losing TP? Steps cost 10TP @ 5 steps you get 60TP back. Because you lose out on an attack or two with the step animations, reverse flourish for /DNC really is the definition of counter-productive. Well... that depends on timing. After the playing the game long enough i'm sure most people have figured out that you can still get at least one attack in while an animation is going off. Not by any means saying that the OP has the right idea.... but still Shiva.Lorielain said: Katalsar said: Wth are you talking about? Dude its easy to do w/ SS... w/o you need haste w/ sTP setup Doing it without soboro is entirely based on luck. SAM can only get 9% double attack reasonably with /dnc. letz say you using 2hr on /dnc on a tricky solo situation .
you can ws - meditate-ws-ws-ws-reverse florish-ws ? that last chunk of tp from reverse florish might give you enough tp to do 1 more ws from the 140-180 meditaded tp. lol i thought op was the 3 hit nana guy for a second...
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Katalsar said: By me posting this I was stating that reverse flourish makes it much easier to create light solo. This is w/o haste, no march, no sTP gear, and a hagun. I'm assuming you mean Haste spell. Lack of STP gear somewhat invalidates the argument. It's easy to get 6hit. So assuming you have even moderate haste gear available (let's not ignore Hasso either), it's pretty simple to do Light. 200% tp > Sekka > Yuki > Meditate > Gekko > Kasha. Of course you need enhanced meditate but that's a given. Timing's an issue, but it's very possible, even DA aside. |
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