Brazil Impeachment - Another Look

While the international press shouts "coup! coup! coup!", the few still loyal worker's party militants burn old tires on the streets to try causing some chaos and the rest of the country don't care:



That sums the feelings inside the upper house of the congress. Those *** are hugging themselves away from the lenses of the press while they do their theatrical play for history when everyone is looking.

The university of hypocrisy.

The international press of course welcomed the rhetoric of "coup" as it's something which causes indignation and is more likely to bring clicks or sales. Less people would care about a impeachment if it's really going as it's supposed to be.

What irks me on this stuff is that while they pretend to be fighting for justice or for workers rights they are just staging a graceful exit for something that went really bad.

This crap comes as result from their lack of planning and over reliance on oil and crop to sustain the country. When those markets crashed so did their government.

Polarized views everywhere, people fighting and arguing while the major actors on this play are all hugging themselves behind the curtains. Funny, eh?

Sounds like American politics.

Sounds like ALL politics. Therefore, post stuff like this in the random P + R. We don't need a fresh thread every time some country's government does something corrupt. This is an FFXI website for people who want info about the game. I'll get my news elsewhere, tyvm.
Honestly, I prefer wts threads...

Maybe you should get out of this section then.
The situation in Brazil is particular and deserves its own thread(pending people who understand it and have something to say about it).

I'm not in the section. It's on the home page.

Did the homepage force you to click on it? The title is not confusing either.

This is some random musing from someone who is actually living through the situation and following it closely. Consider it as a invitation to people outside of it post their opinions on it.
I voted on her. I voted on LILS too and I am angry with both of them. LILS is a worse hypocrite than Roussef because he actually collected personal gain from it.

Finally, it's politics. This section is about politics and religion. I fail to see how this does not belong here. heh

Which also has a [P+R] designation AND the title is "Brazil Impeachment - Another look"

I mean, if you came to this thread expecting some sort of BLU guide, then there's absolutely no hope for you...ever.

Personally I like the idea of having an actual Brazilian here who can comment on this.

Our media in the US is having a field day with the concept while barely touching the issues.

Which is normal for them.

Voting is on.
They divided it on two items:

Is she guilty?

Will she have 8 years of political rights revocation issued?

First voting:

61 aye 20 nay

CNN on the vote:

Brazil's Senate ousts Rousseff in impeachment vote

There's more than one vote in your senate? Or does it go to your lower house next?

Dude I tried saying the same thing a while back...just ignore it ok?

Second voting closed with 41 aye 36 nay and three no votes.
She will be not blocked of any political rights.


Now, how we got to this point?

It's about a socialist program which relied way too much on oil and produce exports. The same international climate crushed Venezuela economy made our oil industry dry out. This country did not reach the level of crisis Venezuela got to because the socialist parties did not have complete control over the three powers, which allowed this impeachment process to bear fruit.
The case with Chavez is that he had all the judges of the supreme court in his pocket.

What happened to this guy happens to show very well what happened to Brazil and why what happened to him is important to explain this impeachment:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eike_Batista

Lack of vision, strategy and overconfidence within their socialist project made them blind about how the world works and how the 2008 crisis made USA look elsewhere for fuel (fracking, you know).

Fracking made deep-water drilling and prospection, which was the core business model for Petrobras company unsustainable and while starving for money the company started to have problems.

This is how and why the corruption got exposed. The rest of the history has been slowly posted to the public through this "Operation Car Wash" which deals with investigating the mechanism and cash flow which powered the socialist/bolivarian goverment which ruled this country for 13 years.

If it were not for the indirect implications of the 2008 crisis on the oil industry, they would be still doing fine and their corruption would be dealt with as "business as usual".

Like what was done in 2005 when the worker's party had it's first scandal. I believe it's just like every other country... The picture shows them having a peaceful dinner while the idiots who work to pay for their dinner are fighting each other.


The impeachment accusations were about the government making use of public banks (which the President had total control over) to fund welfare programs while the law forbids. The rationale about that is that the owner of a bank cannot loan money to himself and expect to receive interest.

Also the President was implied with authorizing extra debits without authorization of the Congress.


In closing, there were no coup but the socialist parties screamed from the bottom of their lungs in order to try and stop the process.

I expect them to be very anti republican (in the sense of putting their own interests before the country interests).
But Roussef lost her privileges, which means Operation Car Wash is now free to investigate her. That's a good thing, I suppose.

To sum it up with a single phrase:


This country have no innocents, everyone is guilty of something.

The Senate President is there to break ties and usually refuses to vote when there's no ties to decide, but he did vote this time.

I counter that point into saying that fracking was going to happen regardless of prices overseas.

US oil production was in a nice boom (but no bubble, at least those who understand bubbles) during this time. We wanted to make more production out of limited resources, and therein lies the fracking technology.

AKA, it was going to happen anyway, it just gained a lot of speed when the oil pries went really high, and the profits made were extraordinary.

I'm not going to disagree with you because yes, you are right. But of course the 2008 crisis made the timing. USA target wasn't Brazil or Venezuela, was address the Middle East price gouging and hurt Vladmir Putin oil ambitions.

Damage caused to South America Bolivarian countries is unintended contrary to what Hugo Chavez said while alive or Evo Morales and Nicolas Maduro say today.

@Chanti:
The decision today is final. The stuff from a month and half ago was the lower house. Sorry, on my original reply I failed to read your question properly and thought it was about what I answered.

Yes it was an unintended consequence. Then again, every business decision (fracking is not a government-endorsed or even considered decision, it's 100% private industry) always has a winner and a loser.

It's going to happen, regardless.

Venezuela just announced that it froze diplomatic relations with Brazil. Now I ask, what diplomatic relations they have to freeze?

Maduro means "ripe" in Portuguese. We joke here he's ripe and will drop soon.

Brazil is just another example how destructive is the populism.

While populism rises when the economy is well, but its structure cant handle a crisis scenery. BTW, crisis the own populism brings to their country.

First Argentina with the fall of Cristina Kischner, now Dilma. Maduro didnt fall simply because Venezuela is already a fully developed dictatorship, but its not far the day Maduro will go to history trash can together with those politician that just use the poor people suffering to promise that the country simply cant handle. Those politician that works offending the other part, those politicians that needs to eliminate the other part to work their own govern, those politicians that call coup de etat what happens in Brasil while shake hands with Maduro and Kischner.

Farewell scums, you wont be missed.

Brasil will not be a Venezuela, neither our flag is red.

Man, by using "Brasil" while communicating in English at an English only site you're doing the exact same thing as the red fools with their "a presidenta da republica". Think about it.

For the others:
As some of you guys know, Latin languages use particle and termination of words to imply the gender of the phrase subject.
The letter "o" implies it's male and "a" implies female. But some special words are gender neutral, like how "President" is used in English. We're supposed to use "A presidente" or "O presidente" for female/male respectively.

Due to a feminist rhetoric they molested the language creating "A presidenta" which was relentlessly used by Roussef supporters. Extremely annoying. I'm glad that ended.

so... how do I blu?

Golpista!