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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-16 08:49:51
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See I like the women that make terrible choices with their lives...

I assumed that was a given with you.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-16 08:49:58
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By fonewear 2014-09-16 08:52:16
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Key word is date would I marry a single mother. I doubt it.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-16 08:53:26
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Key word is date would I marry a single mother. I doubt it.

Why would you date someone you knew you wouldn't marry going into it?

I mean, why bother?

Hookers will be cheaper in the long run and probably better looking and better at what they do...
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By fonewear 2014-09-16 08:54:48
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I don't know people seem to date all the time and have no future. I guess I'm no different.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-16 08:57:03
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I get that you date someone, turns out you're not as compatible as maybe you thought/hoped, it ends up going nowhere.

But to be with someone you've not intention of marrying or otherwise being with long-term, knowing that's the case from the onset?

Baffling to me.
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By fonewear 2014-09-16 09:00:01
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Well long term is very subjective. I mean when I date someone I never see it ending with getting married. I would get married just so I don't have to go on endless pointless dates and relationships that go no where.

The dating part doesn't really interest me it is sorta like going on mini job interviews with strangers.


Article semi related:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/11/more-single-people-than-married-people-first-time?utm_hp_ref=women&ir=Women

Article on single people in US: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-09/single-americans-now-comprise-more-than-half-the-u-s-population.html
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-16 09:07:09
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Well long term is very subjective. I mean when I date someone I never see it ending with getting married. I would get married just so I don't have to go on endless pointless dates and relationships that go no where.

The dating part doesn't really interest me it is sorta like going on mini job interviews with strangers.


Article semi related:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/11/more-single-people-than-married-people-first-time?utm_hp_ref=women&ir=Women

Article on single people in US: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-09/single-americans-now-comprise-more-than-half-the-u-s-population.html

Well, I use the term "married" interchangably with "long-term relationship" because *** societal expectations.

I don't know, the entire "dating" process is a mystery to me. My wife and I were in the same circle of friends when we met so we were already doing all kinds of things together regardless. "Dates" were never a thing that really happened. We just sort of gradually started doing things -- and then doing things -- on our own without other friends sometimes. They weren't really "dates" in any classic sense of the word...

Edit: And also, we were together for 14 years before we got married; it was never important to us. Nothing actually changes after getting married, despite what everyone tries to cram down your throat about that topic. Marriage is as much for everyone else to see as it is for the two of you.

Frankly, I think marriage means more to the gay community right now than anyone else, because it means societal acceptance -- to some degree, at least -- of their love. Straight people don't need that, as they've always had it.
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By fonewear 2014-09-16 09:09:39
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I know what you mean my last girlfriend it was odd. She was in my same class and we talked a bit every day then before you know it we are dating. There was no real formal aspect to it. It just kinda happened.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-09-17 00:27:26
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fonewear said: »
See I like the women that make terrible choices with their lives...
Well that figures.

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fonewear said: »
Key word is date would I marry a single mother. I doubt it.
Why would you date someone you knew you wouldn't marry going into it?
....
Define date. Define marry.

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Well, I use the term "married" interchangably with "long-term relationship" because *** societal expectations.

I don't know, the entire "dating" process is a mystery to me. My wife and I were in the same circle of friends when we met so we were already doing all kinds of things together regardless. "Dates" were never a thing that really happened. We just sort of gradually started doing things -- and then doing things -- on our own without other friends sometimes. They weren't really "dates" in any classic sense of the word...

Edit: And also, we were together for 14 years before we got married; it was never important to us. Nothing actually changes after getting married, despite what everyone tries to cram down your throat about that topic. Marriage is as much for everyone else to see as it is for the two of you.

Frankly, I think marriage means more to the gay community right now than anyone else, because it means societal acceptance -- to some degree, at least -- of their love. Straight people don't need that, as they've always had it.
Oh there it is.

Then in your viewpoint I have been polyandrous and well... just poly.

Married once, parted friends, I could never have kids so the usual reason for marriage wasn't there. And when one is running 3 - 4 parallel long term relationships.... To me marriage IS forsaking all others and that I cannot not do.

Like you my partners came from my social circle. People I knew and liked who became closer and dearer. But there were always dates, just the two of us type of stuff. Testing the waters sort of thing.

As to your edit....

After 14 years no, nothing changes. After a 6 month or 2 year courtship it does. Big time. I have seen it happen.

And no, gay marriage is not just about acceptance. Its a LOT about equal rights. there are well over 1,000 laws, benefits, and privileges to fierce and important to mention that accrue to married people but not to people who love each other dearly and just cohabitat. We can start with adoption and not nearly begin to end with hospital visitation.

If it was never important to both of you why did you get married? Somehow I think some of those over 1,000 things came into play.

Another couple I know who were together over 10 years and "it was never important to us" ... Well he got 911ed to the hospital, woke up thinking "I could have DIED", proposed to her from the hospital bed.

It was a lovely wedding.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-09-17 00:33:45
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From Tragedy to Farce: How Fox News and the GOP Tarnished Benghazi

You know if the Democrats has a lick of sense they would publicize... no SHOUT FROM THE ROOFTOPS how much money the "party of fiscal responsibility" has wasted with their endless investigations.
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The House passed a bill Tuesday that could make it a little harder for people to use government welfare payments to buy marijuana in states where the drug is legal.

Supporters call it the "no welfare for weed" bill.

The bill would prevent people from using government-issued welfare debit cards to make purchases at stores that sell marijuana. It would also prohibit people from using the cards to withdraw cash from ATMs in those stores.

A 2012 federal law already prevents people from using welfare debit cards at liquor stores, casinos and strip clubs.

Rep. Dave Reichert, R-Wash., is the main sponsor of the bill. He said it is a logical extension of existing law now that Washington State and Colorado have legalized marijuana for recreational use.

"The fact that some people are using welfare for weed is outrageous," Reichert said in a statement. "While some may decide to spend their own money on drugs, we're not going to give them a taxpayer subsidy to do it."

The House passed the bill on a voice vote, which does not require lawmakers to cast a recorded vote.

The reach of the bill would be limited, however, because pot smokers could still use their benefit cards to get cash from an ATM at a different store or bank, and then use the money to buy marijuana.

Rep. Lloyd Doggett, D-Texas, said he supported the bill. But he complained that it "does nothing to address the tattered safety net."

Why not prevent people from using benefit cards at massage parlors and Cadillac dealerships? Doggett said. "Just blame the poor for being poor."
House Passes 'No Welfare For Weed' Bill
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-17 09:16:26
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The House passed a bill Tuesday that could make it a little harder for people to use government welfare payments to buy marijuana in states where the drug is legal.

Supporters call it the "no welfare for weed" bill.

The bill would prevent people from using government-issued welfare debit cards to make purchases at stores that sell marijuana. It would also prohibit people from using the cards to withdraw cash from ATMs in those stores.

A 2012 federal law already prevents people from using welfare debit cards at liquor stores, casinos and strip clubs.

Rep. Dave Reichert, R-Wash., is the main sponsor of the bill. He said it is a logical extension of existing law now that Washington State and Colorado have legalized marijuana for recreational use.

"The fact that some people are using welfare for weed is outrageous," Reichert said in a statement. "While some may decide to spend their own money on drugs, we're not going to give them a taxpayer subsidy to do it."

The House passed the bill on a voice vote, which does not require lawmakers to cast a recorded vote.

The reach of the bill would be limited, however, because pot smokers could still use their benefit cards to get cash from an ATM at a different store or bank, and then use the money to buy marijuana.

Rep. Lloyd Doggett, D-Texas, said he supported the bill. But he complained that it "does nothing to address the tattered safety net."

Why not prevent people from using benefit cards at massage parlors and Cadillac dealerships? Doggett said. "Just blame the poor for being poor."
House Passes 'No Welfare For Weed' Bill

This is more pointless legislation to make it look like they're somehow doing something to stop "welfare abuse".

In the mean time, I notice it does nothing to prevent them from buying cigarettes.

Couldn't have anything to do with all the money cigarette-tied corporations pay for lobbying or in campaign donations...
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By Fenrir.Atheryn 2014-09-17 09:23:44
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Never fear. Now that marijuana is legal in some states and will likely become so in others, I'm sure the major cigarette companies will expand into the weed market. They'll pull their weight as usual, and the Government will back down.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-17 09:25:20
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
After 14 years no, nothing changes. After a 6 month or 2 year courtship it does. Big time. I have seen it happen.

I guess that's sort of my point. The divorce rate and accompanying rate of "partner dissatisfaction" in this country is probably so staggering because marriage as some sort of sacred institution was irrepairably tainted long, long before gay marriage ever became an issue.

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And no, gay marriage is not just about acceptance. Its a LOT about equal rights. there are well over 1,000 laws, benefits, and privileges to fierce and important to mention that accrue to married people but not to people who love each other dearly and just cohabitat. We can start with adoption and not nearly begin to end with hospital visitation.

You're picking apart semantics. That's exactly what I mean; acceptance as equals. Meaning socially AND under the law. They're not nearly there yet, but the right to be married is a start and that's what I was getting at. Marriage therefore means more to them than anyone else in this country at this time because for them it means actually making progress.

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If it was never important to both of you why did you get married? Somehow I think some of those over 1,000 things came into play.

We got married when we did for reasons that, and I (truly) mean this in the kindest way, are really not the business of a public forum. Truth be told, for various reasons, we have far fewer financial benefits to being married than many couples do.

But the bottom line is a marriage is a symbolic ceremony. If you hadn't already comitted to all those things you "swear before God/country" in your given ceremony of choice, then you shouldn't be getting married in the first place.

I've been "married" for about two years.

I've been decidedly and singularly devoted to my wife for well over a decade.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-17 09:26:19
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Never fear. Now that marijuana is legal in some states and will likely become so in others, I'm sure the major cigarette companies will expand into the weed market. They'll pull their weight as usual, and the Government will back down.

Frankly if we legalized and regulated all illicit substances, we could actually solve many of Mexico's problems as well as our own, and make big bucks both for our government AND private industry.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-17 14:03:19
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Never fear. Now that marijuana is legal in some states and will likely become so in others, I'm sure the major cigarette companies will expand into the weed market. They'll pull their weight as usual, and the Government will back down.

Frankly if we legalized and regulated all illicit substances, we could actually solve many of Mexico's problems as well as our own, and make big bucks both for our government AND private industry.
In theory this idea used to sound good, but then the idea of the government and the politicians that run it making money off of legalized heroin sales doesn't settle well.

But to be fair they already do with highly potent opiate medication out there.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-17 15:51:37
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Fenrir.Atheryn said: »
Never fear. Now that marijuana is legal in some states and will likely become so in others, I'm sure the major cigarette companies will expand into the weed market. They'll pull their weight as usual, and the Government will back down.

Frankly if we legalized and regulated all illicit substances, we could actually solve many of Mexico's problems as well as our own, and make big bucks both for our government AND private industry.
In theory this idea used to sound good, but then the idea of the government and the politicians that run it making money off of legalized heroin sales doesn't settle well.

But to be fair they already do with highly potent opiate medication out there.

Yeah. Well, I admit it's not a perfect solution when looked at from a realistic standpoint, but it's still better than the current situation, and the big thing here is...

It would really, really help Mexico. I don't just mean their incompetent government. I mean the millions and millions of people who live there, trying to survive in a narcoculture and not get drawn into an early grave by taking sides...or for NOT taking sides.

Trying to be a Mexican on the up-and-up right now has to be one of the hardest things to do in the "developed" world.
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The House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly to audit the Federal Reserve on Wednesday, a broadly bipartisan call for financial reform that accompanied two other bipartisan votes providing government perks to Wall Street on everything from higher mortgage fees to speculation in securities markets.

The votes underscore unique tensions among both Republicans and Democrats. All three bills garnered strong Republican majorities while essentially splitting Democrats down the middle.

"Today, the House passed the Federal Reserve Transparency Act," Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) celebrated in a Vine video. "Finally, we're gonna audit the Fed."

Of course, the Fed has been audited before. Reps. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.) and Ron Paul (R-Texas) secured an amendment to audit the central bank under the 2010 Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform law, and that audit revealed sweetheart deals for big financial firms.

But the provision remains unpopular at the Fed, big banks and many Capitol Hill offices. It is unclear if the Senate will take up the most recent audit bill, which passed the House by a vote of 333 to 92. Details about the Fed's lending activities are not generally made public without legislation requiring transparency.

Rep. John Campbell (R-Calif.) was the only Republican to vote against auditing the Fed, while Democrats voted 106 to 91 in favor, demonstrating the degree to which central bank transparency has become a mainstream issue.

Although the GOP is eager to expose the Fed's dealings with big banks, it is equally anxious to dole out favors to financial operators. Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) was the only Republican to vote against the two deregulation bills Wednesday, with all other detractors coming from the Democratic Party. Jones, who also voted to audit the Fed, is the only consistent voice for bank reform among House Republicans.

One deregulation bill, H.R. 5405, would exempt a significant swath of the market for derivatives -- the complex financial products at the heart of the 2008 meltdown -- from Dodd-Frank's new trading rules.
House Votes To Audit The Fed... And Deregulate Wall Street
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-09-18 14:56:48
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Fenrir.Atheryn said: »
Never fear. Now that marijuana is legal in some states and will likely become so in others, I'm sure the major cigarette companies will expand into the weed market. They'll pull their weight as usual, and the Government will back down.

Frankly if we legalized and regulated all illicit substances, we could actually solve many of Mexico's problems as well as our own, and make big bucks both for our government AND private industry.
Until the federal government backs down, which I doubt they will do, big tobacco isn't going to get substantially involved in the weed market.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-18 19:17:27
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Fenrir.Atheryn said: »
Never fear. Now that marijuana is legal in some states and will likely become so in others, I'm sure the major cigarette companies will expand into the weed market. They'll pull their weight as usual, and the Government will back down.

Frankly if we legalized and regulated all illicit substances, we could actually solve many of Mexico's problems as well as our own, and make big bucks both for our government AND private industry.
Until the federal government backs down, which I doubt they will do, big tobacco isn't going to get substantially involved in the weed market.
Too late:
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-23 22:38:20
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Chelsea Manning on Tuesday sued Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and the Pentagon in federal court for access to hormone therapy, warning that her mental condition is rapidly deteriorating in the face of more than a year of military officials' delays.

In August 2013, the WikiLeaks source formerly known as Bradley Manning began serving a 35-year sentence at the U.S. Disciplinary Barracks in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, for leaking government documents. But despite the Army's acknowledgment that Manning suffers from gender dysphoria, the prison has so far denied her access to hormones or the opportunity to dress as a woman.

"It has now been more than four years since I was first diagnosed with gender dysphoria, a condition that I have struggled with my entire life," Manning wrote in a legal filing. "I do not believe I will be able to survive another year or two -- let alone twenty to thirty years -- without treatment."

Manning is seeking a preliminary injunction that will allow her to begin treatment as the lawsuit runs its course, which could take years.

Manning's legal complaint details how she has sought access to treatment for gender dysphoria since the start of her imprisonment at Fort Leavenworth. Instead of providing her with appropriate treatment, the Pentagon has sought either to transfer her to a civilian prison or to satisfy her requests with half-measures like allowing her to wear a sports bra.

The Army, which does not allow transgender people to serve, was in the process of discharging Manning over her diagnosis when she was arrested for leaking hundreds of thousands of sensitive documents in 2010.
Chelsea Manning Sues Pentagon For Hormone Therapy: 'I Do Not Believe I Will Be Able To Survive'
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-23 23:56:41
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Took me a second, was like "who?"

I'd still like to know why we consider such things as body alterations "treatment."

But I digress, and inb4 the outrage.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-23 23:57:52
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Fenrir.Atheryn said: »
Never fear. Now that marijuana is legal in some states and will likely become so in others, I'm sure the major cigarette companies will expand into the weed market. They'll pull their weight as usual, and the Government will back down.

Frankly if we legalized and regulated all illicit substances, we could actually solve many of Mexico's problems as well as our own, and make big bucks both for our government AND private industry.
Until the federal government backs down, which I doubt they will do, big tobacco isn't going to get substantially involved in the weed market.
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is that real or a good 'shop?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-23 23:58:38
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Jetackuu said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Fenrir.Atheryn said: »
Never fear. Now that marijuana is legal in some states and will likely become so in others, I'm sure the major cigarette companies will expand into the weed market. They'll pull their weight as usual, and the Government will back down.

Frankly if we legalized and regulated all illicit substances, we could actually solve many of Mexico's problems as well as our own, and make big bucks both for our government AND private industry.
Until the federal government backs down, which I doubt they will do, big tobacco isn't going to get substantially involved in the weed market.
Too late:
is that real or a good 'shop?
Stoner Lore.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-09-24 00:02:46
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Give the MTF her hormones and call it a day. Seriously, if she has a formal diagnosis, there shouldn't even be a discussion about this.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-24 00:02:49
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Ah, now don't get me wrong as I don't and have never smoked either, but I've been around both a lot, and to me it looks like that joint would lose half it's pot if you held it like a ***.

Just my opinion though.

My personal hope though is they skip right to electric ones, so people are getting vapors instead of smoking it, as smoking is just bad for you. But hey.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-24 00:03:40
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Give the MTF her hormones and call it a day. Seriously, if she has a formal diagnosis, there shouldn't even be a discussion about this.

Sounds like he has enough hormones, if you know what I mean.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-24 00:08:36
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State sponsored gender dysphoria.
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Fascist dysphoria?
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