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By Yandaime 2014-08-25 12:08:26
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Uh, no. Because he has a resistance to All damage, not physical defense.

The MDT may be lower than the PDT but there is definitely MDT/MDB as well. Formless strikes would devastate it if it was just a defense buff, this is not the case.

Stacking minuet/chaos roll dia doesn't change the damage by much at all.
I guess that the way it's worded is misleading, and (should) work the way I think it does... but probably doesn't. But until I know I gotta try it out since no one else will/has.
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"Special Defense Down" means that this ability will lower a mob's physical and magical damage resistance, should it have any.

Formless has nothing to do with defense, it just alters the players damage flags to one of the magic ones. What he is saying is that lancelord has ridiculous defense and tomohawk does nothing for that.

Now I wouldn't be surprised if he also had some sort of pdt. Tomohawk is really weird, SEs description is very misleading. It only seems to remove damage specific resistances and not global PDT. It doesn't work on tojils first 25% for example.

^ This. As I recall, Tomahawk only removes weapon type resistances such as Anti-Blunt or Anti-Slashing. This is why it was useful against certain mobs that had increased resistances to weapons such as JoTemperance which became immune to all but w/e weapon type it was weak to and Butolus Rex which iirc always had a really strong resistance to Slashing and Blunt(?). It wont work against mobs that have an innately high Defense or DT such as Elementals and Lancelord :(
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2014-08-25 12:23:09
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I never got to test it anyway. We just ended up all subbing RUN and taking 20 minutes to slowly tic it to death. Meh.

Sure it wouldn't have worked anyway.

It's gimmicky enough that the best way to do it is probably 5 step skillchains. Seemed skillchains did extra damage, but it's the warrior thread not the PIP thread, so who cares.

Warrior Requiscat set would still be nice to see, if anyone had one. (just cause I can't think of anything else)
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By Bismarck.Herzins 2014-08-25 13:53:38
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Is Metalsinger Belt better for Resolution than the elemental belt?
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By Siren.Kyte 2014-08-25 16:29:11
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It's extremely inferior. Nothing but gorgets/ele belts should ever be considered for multi-hit WS with transferring http://fTP.
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By Bismarck.Herzins 2014-08-26 09:06:26
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Anyone has a war.lua for Ragnarok? please share ;)
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-09-03 07:36:58
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Here you go, recently adapted my RUN GS to work for WAR, includes GS and GA logic but you'll have to add a separate TP set since I only built it with one.

I believe this was originally Bryth's BLU gearswap that I dramatically simplified and rebuilt for RUN and now use as a base for my melee jobs.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2014-09-05 15:39:01
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Is Lightreaver good for anything but messing around with on fodder?
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By Cerberus.Fiasko 2014-09-16 18:54:58
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What are the 1337 stats for the new JSE augments?
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By Tylaar 2014-09-17 09:21:31
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Inference posted his which looks pretty noice:

STR/DEX+3, Acc+5, Critical Hit Damage +2% on WAR cape
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By Cerberus.Fiasko 2014-09-26 02:29:27
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At least we wont be losing a good back piece for 1hr WS anymore.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-26 04:56:36
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Garbage compared to what other jobs get.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2014-09-26 06:18:55
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Max would be 5 STR/DEX, 6 Acc, and 5% crit damage. It isn't gamebreaking, but it is the best MS and Ukko's back in the game. Also not bad for TPing.
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By Cerberus.Fiasko 2014-09-26 14:29:27
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Its not amazing, but I am still excited about it. Now to just get it to drop.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-09-26 15:02:12
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Pfft back on brd fiasko...
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By Cerberus.Fiasko 2014-09-27 16:23:06
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True story.
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By Cerberus.Fiasko 2014-09-30 09:10:31
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Is the 5% increase in attack going to make a significant change?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-09-30 09:17:38
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Cerberus.Fiasko said: »
Is the 5% increase in attack going to make a significant change?
It's basically a free +60~+90 attack.

Take it while you can.

But it makes Conquerors much more powerful.
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By Leviathan.Mckeag 2014-09-30 09:20:23
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What does that do for someone subbing war
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-09-30 09:23:55
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Nothing, since the 1% increases start at level 50.

/WAR only gets 25% berserks.
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By Siren.Sieha 2014-09-30 09:24:05
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Cerberus.Fiasko said: »
Is the 5% increase in attack going to make a significant change?

meh still doesnt fix a lackluster job.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-09-30 09:25:32
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Siren.Sieha said: »
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Is the 5% increase in attack going to make a significant change?

meh still doesnt fix a lackluster job.
It's only lackluster if you don't care about it.

WAR is still one of the most powerful jobs out there, and if properly geared and cared for, can outdamage 98% of the other players in this game.
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By Asura.Failaras 2014-09-30 11:55:46
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I think you are really over estimating War right now. Even with Mythic it's a decent stretch behind a simple Tsurumaru sam. Go play with the spreadsheets some and make yourself sad at the difference between Koga, Tsurumaru, Conqueuer, and Minos.

Personally I just did this for fun using the normal buffs my group uses on Tojil:
Koga Sam - 1887 DPS
Tsu Sam - 1549 DPS
Conq War - 1379 DPS
Minos War - 1101 DPS.
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By Zillion 2014-09-30 12:14:26
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Asura.Failaras said: »
I think you are really over estimating War right now. Even with Mythic it's a decent stretch behind a simple Tsurumaru sam. Go play with the spreadsheets some and make yourself sad at the difference between Koga, Tsurumaru, Conqueuer, and Minos.

Personally I just did this for fun using the normal buffs my group uses on Tojil:
Koga Sam - 1887 DPS
Tsu Sam - 1549 DPS
Conq War - 1379 DPS
Minos War - 1101 DPS.

i would have to agree but sadly this game isnt played on a spreadsheet and theres alot more factors to dps than a weapon
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By Asura.Fiv 2014-09-30 12:24:25
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It doesn't matter real vs. spreadsheet when the gap is that huge, the potential that sam has is way more then war now, without even accounting for skillchain damage. Also 5% attack is a slap in the face.
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By Asura.Failaras 2014-09-30 12:40:36
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Zillion said: »
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I think you are really over estimating War right now. Even with Mythic it's a decent stretch behind a simple Tsurumaru sam. Go play with the spreadsheets some and make yourself sad at the difference between Koga, Tsurumaru, Conqueuer, and Minos.

Personally I just did this for fun using the normal buffs my group uses on Tojil:
Koga Sam - 1887 DPS
Tsu Sam - 1549 DPS
Conq War - 1379 DPS
Minos War - 1101 DPS.

i would have to agree but sadly this game isnt played on a spreadsheet and theres alot more factors to dps than a weapon
No one is going to say that the DPS spreadsheets are 100% accurate, but they are one of our best tools for approximating equal skilled DPS. In reality all of those numbers will be lower, both because people don't play as robots and because they don't take into account mythic upkeep (as far as I know). However when the difference is 500-700 DPS, it seriously doesn't matter if something is wrong. The mythic sam could literally not use his AM and still beat the Conq war. Also, while the Sams DPS will be lower, the spreadsheet doesn't factor in SCs which are a huge part of Sams damage right now.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-30 12:49:32
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So WAR upgrading to mythic results in it still being inferior to a delve weapon SAM.. biggest waste of time, gil and effort ever.
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By Leviathan.Mckeag 2014-09-30 12:54:52
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Balance
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By Cerberus.Fiasko 2014-09-30 16:53:38
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for those DPS values did you ad 13.5% attack and 14% crit rate for conq? (5% attack boost + 8.5% attack on berserk) Of course this is under Berserk.(And 5% for Minos)
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By Bismarck.Inference 2014-09-30 17:00:58
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Spreadsheet should automatically take into account Mythic's added features for JA, at least it does for Glanzfaust.
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By Asura.Failaras 2014-09-30 17:05:03
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As far as I know the spreadsheet should be setup to automatically add in the Crit Rate and Attack bonuses from Conq. I'm assuming the 5% attack boost you are talking about is from the update, I wasn't really talking about post update Warrior so I didn't add it in. The 5% Attack is going to vary from "This is nice" to "I already have capped attack because Geo is ridiculous, so what is the point"
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