What say you?
Oneiros Barbut
[Head] All Races
DEF: 30 VIT-5 Evasion-14
Physical damage taken -5%
Reduces movement speed
Lv. 88 WAR / PLD
vs.
Genbu's kabuto RareExclusive
[Head] All Races
DEF: 35 HP +50 VIT +15 Resist Vs. Water +50
Lv.75 WAR / MNK / BST / BRD / RNG / SAM /
NIN
3% PDT Augment
Onerios Barbut Vs. 3% PDT Genbu's Kabuto
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Onerios Barbut vs. 3% PDT Genbu's Kabuto
Is this a trick question?
To not be an ***, Oneiros. Not really. I'm uneducated in the workings of VIT, not to mention Genbu's Kabuto wins out in other defensive stats when compared to Onerios. +20 VIT, +50 HP, +14 EVA. It was an earnest question.
Thanks for the response. Well if you only need -3% PDT then genbu's would win. If this is for FC, you might just wanna go with genbu's kabuto so it doesn't take forever to round up all the mobs?
Cerberus.Tikal said: Not really. I'm uneducated in the workings of VIT, not to mention Genbu's Kabuto wins out in other defensive stats when compared to Onerios. +20 VIT, +50 HP, +14 EVA. It was an earnest question. Thanks for the response. The only thing Vit would really do is decrease the amount of damage you'd take from a crit, and I haven't even read up on any testing on that to know if it makes a noticeable difference. You're on war, so you aren't evading, and the 50 hp would only matter if you were capped, and swapping in to is doesn't heal 50, so it makes no difference. So, boils down to 3 PDT vs 5 PDT. =P Oh, enmity loss is based off of damage done in relation to your max hp, so genbu's would help with that. But not by very much =S
In theory the VIT from Genbu's could be better in specific situations, but NMs tend to have very high base damage which devalues trying to reduce fSTR so Oneiros will be better in practice. The real question is how detrimental will the -movement be.
The answer is probably an augmented Genbu's Kabuto:
http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Genbu%27s_Kabuto PDT-3% is the recorded cap, but our sample size isn't huge so it may be able go up to 4 or 5%. If you managed to squeeze out a PDT+4% Kabuto, it'd be hard to eat the reduced movement speed on Oneiros. Just find a friendly Synergist and kill a few Genboobs for seals to shred. PS. I really want to augment like 4-5% Haste onto a Kabuto so I can TP in it on WAR and be a Genbot. Haste 4% with spell interruption -5% would be nice for my mnk once I get BB I think.. for when I /nin.
Yeah. Evasion is potentially a 1-in-4 augment as well. It's either that or MP. Sample size is too low to know.
HQ2 was PDT-3%, so I'd put money on HQ3 going up to PDT-4% at least. Man I'd love to have a Haste and -pdt Genbu head, just for the good looks XD
I tossed my 4haste 3pdt genbus when I got v helm, which I think is the right answer.
Haha, Serj was being an *** and he was the one that was wrong.
Kaerin said: I tossed my 4haste 3pdt genbus when I got v helm, which I think is the right answer. Fenrir.Enternius said: Haha, Serj was being an *** and he was the one that was wrong.
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honestly i guess it depends one the rest of your build and what your doing. they are both nice pieces in the correct builds, if you are worried about damage and wont hit the 50% cap w/ the 3% then Onerios wins. if you have found a way to hit 50% w/ only the 3% head the that is 100% better also if for some reason you needed to kite using movement speed(only way warrior can) then genbu wind again. personally i refuse to use reduse movement speed gear for anything but that just a preferance.
Why it is so hard to decide?
To switch from Oneiros Barbut to 3% PDT Genbu's Kabuto: You get DEF+5 VIT+20, HP+50, EVA+14, PDT -2%, Improved Movement Speed. Assume you have 2000HP, the 50HP from Kabuto is about 2.5% of your max HP, so I guess 50HP is roughly equal to PDT 2.5% Plus, higher HP pool is always good for the WHM in your party. 2k hp... if you are outside abyssea you cant have 2k for your WAR, if you are inside abyssea and you only have 2k you fail tremendously.
3k to 3.5k with SS atma inside is what's expected. also puting in HP gear doesnt heal you so my opinion is : use the -5% pdt. better, try to get the Valhalla helm. you get slow but you can keep kitting or gathering. now, if you consider other job than war for this, the kabuto might come in handy due to inventory restriction when you start having lots of gear for lots of jobs. though BST BRD and RNG might be the only job that do not have better headpiece for PDT. vit, as was already said, doesnt really effect the dmg you take, more like increase the amount of your hp cured. Asura.Ajirha said: 2k hp... if you are outside abyssea you cant have 2k for your WAR, if you are inside abyssea and you only have 2k you fail tremendously. 3k to 3.5k with SS atma inside is what's expected. Is gear not multiplied by cruor buffs and abyssites? My point is that the +50 HP, in abyssea, is more than 50 HP, it's more like +90. Add in SS and I believe that makes it +120.
Fenrir.Arsi said: Assume you have 2000HP, the 50HP from Kabuto is about 2.5% of your max HP, so I guess 50HP is roughly equal to PDT 2.5% Cerberus.Tikal said: My point is that the +50 HP, in abyssea, is more than 50 HP, it's more like +90. Add in SS and I believe that makes it +120. I'm not sure which takes effect first but if cruor buffs do, and then atma, it would be +50x1.8x.1.3. If they're exclusive though, Kabuto would only add 105 HP.
Huh, I made the same assumption about SS. Weird.
Cruor buffs with all abyssites modify HP by 80%.
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